Re: The Bull*** Parade

From: Robert (Robert_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/10/04 

Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:17:21 -0700

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Happy Dog wrote:
>
> > "Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in
> >
> >>And yet, the infant mortality rate in Canada is lower than in the US.
> >>Life expectancy in Canada is higher than the US.
> >
> > Are you stating that this is due to the state of the medical care
systems in
> > each country? Go ahead. Try it.
>
> Stick your belligerence, ***. I said what I said; it's not my job
> to teach you how to read.
>
> Kurt attributes it to differing social issues like drive-by shootings,
> illegal immigration, urban difficulties, and the like. I say with a
> population 10 times that of Canada, these things do contribute, but
> likely not enough to shift it radically.
>
> >>There's a difference between waits for things like elective surgery
> >>and life-threatening conditions. It's one thing to say it takes longer
> >>in Canada and leave it there. It's quite another to say that it's on
> >>the non-serious, non-painful conditions that the delays are longer.
> >
> > Yeah. Like heart surgery and dialysis. You haven't done your homework.
>
> Right. My Canadian medical writer wife does all the medical homework

Show me one critical news article of the system in canada by canadians. All
you get is flag waving reports in order to help the government with calming
unrest by telling people how they are doing good by waiting for medical
services. Repeat after me," Need not greed". Tell me about the politicians
in canada going to the US for treatment.
> here. As do her other medical colleagues including physicians, nurses,
> lab people, etc., with whom we're friendly. As did her father in his
> hospital years. Your sources...?

Thanks to canada a lot of those doctors are coming to the US as I have met a
few. Just continue it ignore the problem and it will go away. Do news
articles about how happy doctors, nurses and others are. You want sources do
a google search and type in Canada and health system.
>
> Dialysis can't very well be postponed. I learned that from my mother
> who had it every third day to stay alive. Same sorts of questions
> precede heart surgery. Triage separates the urgent from the less so.
> Just like everywhere. Your homework gets a failing grade.
If they need the surgery then it makes no sense to delay surgery and make
the person wait for 6 months to a year. Tell your doctor friends they are
assholes who lack compassion in treating the sick.
>
> >>And how much longer? It's generally an issue of convenience, not
> >>medical necessity that most of the hubbub is about.
> >
> > And what's wrong with that? Medicine is supposed to make people feel
> > better. Who determines the difference between a "convenience" and a
> > "necessity"? If you think it's ER staff, you're an idiot.
>
> *** you. Now that that's out of the way, how about something
> substantive from you instead? Look up triage and see how it works.
***, triage is for the field. It takes place when medical staff are
overwhlmed with people and they must decide who comes first. That happens
when you are not prepared with adequate services in the first place so you
have to triage. It applies to mass casualites which is the canadian health
care system. You are equating the canadian health care system with small
mash unit in the field. See the MASH TV program?
>
> "Medicine is supposed to make people feel better," you say. Built into
> that the arch way you deliver it is the implication that it's supposed
> to happen at your chosen velocity, any other consideration be damned.
> The medical people determine what's urgent and what's not and your
> whining is merely whining.

That's exactly why you don't want to have a system like that in the first
place. Once you have it then people in that system like the post office tell
you to like it or lump it. Under any other situations where choice is
allowed then that hospital would close. People will leave that system as the
y have no recourse and people just give up and go to another country for
surgery. They response you get is like Bobs. The only problem is it comes
from the very doctors who are suppose to be treating you.
>
> Your infantile demand for immediate gratification points out one of
> the major reasons for the high prices of American medical care. For a
> certain group, it has to happen NOW, no technology spared, all
> medications available, all care available 24/7, and the food had
> better be good, too, fluff up my pillow while you're at it. Send the
> bill to my insurance company. It's that solipsistic selfishness that
> marks all children who can't grasp the notion that there are others in
> the building, in the town, in the society, as well.
Democrary is childish and how selfish to think of yourself and we will
decide for you to protect you from your own selfishness.
How much is a human life worth? Canada puts a price on it and won't exceed
it for the common good. Canada won't use all technology, medications as they
are too expensive.
>
> Here's how the real world works everywhere: If you want it *your* way,
> get ready to pay for it *their* way. Extra service *always* costs
> more. In my restaurants and other businesses, we added a PITA factor

When you and your doctor friends go to a restaurant, one person orders for
everybody and decides for all and you wait for 8 hours to get your food. How
selfish to want to get anything you want in a timely manner.

> for twits like you who wanted everything exactly how they wanted it no
> matter the conventions of the particular operation. It ranged from a
> low of about 15% on up to 300% for the full-fledged jackasses like
> you. And, wonderful country that it is, they didn't have to patronize
> me. They could take it elsewhere if they didn't like it. Just like in
> the medbiz. Just like in the US and Canada.

You like cuban cigars?

>
> >>I'm not asserting superiority of one system over another
> >
> > < whatever >
> >
> > le moo
>
> Yes. Isn't it, though.
>
> Bob
>