Re: Meditation for healing (esp: hypertension)
From: Jeff (kidsdoc2000_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/30/04
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:07:58 -0400
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com...
> > > Mozz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 'The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world's great religions. In
> > > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one
form
> > > > or another.
> > >
> > > Christians call it prayer.
> >
> > Is prayer and mediation the same thing?
>
> Prayer is meditation *plus* the potential for divine intervention.
>
> > I believe they are similar, but not
> > identical.
>
> I agree with your belief.
>
> > (...)
> >
> > > When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God's
> > > blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction
that
> > > occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> > > with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> > > discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
> >
> > This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this?
>
> Looking ahead, you do not want God's Word on this which for me is
> proof. However, I can provide scientific evidence of this and as is the
> nature of scientific evidence, this will fall short of proof.
>
> > Not your
> > beliefs, but proof.
>
> The Word of God is not my belief but rather is proof.
>
> > So the Bible is out,
>
> Then you do not want proof.
>
> > unless you can demostrate in a
> > scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
>
> The Bible in all matters is true:
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
>
> serves as an illustrative example.
how can it be true in all matters? What about the internal conflicts, like
two different genesis stories?
I think there are around 50 of these.
However, you just showed this is not a science discussion. If the Bible is
true in all matters, then it is a matter for religion, and not science. They
are different area of thought. Read Stephen J. Gould's book Rock of Ages.
> > Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God's intervention,
rather
> > than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
>
> Ok, here's one of many:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?K1EA25A29
One of many? How many?
How about this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11761499
maybe the mayo clinic people sinned more? ;-)
How about the ones that didn't get published?
> > I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier
lives
> > according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to
church,
> > giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever
athiests
> > are supposed to do.
>
> The above cited article should serve well to enlighten you.
One article. Come on.
> > Jeff
>
> You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
>
> Please consider the following to save yourself:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
No thanks.
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
> **
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