Re: Meditation for healing (esp: hypertension)
From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (andrew_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 08/30/04
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:42:35 -0400
Jeff wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:413277EF.5E1F@heartmdphd.com...
> > Jeff wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4132341C.2E08@heartmdphd.com...
> > > > Mozz wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 'The use of Meditation for healing is not new. Meditative techniques
> > > > > are the product of diverse cultures and peoples around the world. It
> > > > > has been rooted in the traditions of the world's great religions. In
> > > > > fact, practically all religious groups practice meditation in one
> form
> > > > > or another.
> > > >
> > > > Christians call it prayer.
> > >
> > > Is prayer and mediation the same thing?
> >
> > Prayer is meditation *plus* the potential for divine intervention.
> >
> > > I believe they are similar, but not
> > > identical.
> >
> > I agree with your belief.
> >
> > > (...)
> > >
> > > > When they pray, Christians also enjoy the added benefit of God's
> > > > blessings for themselves and others on top of the stress reduction
> that
> > > > occurs with meditation. Such benefits would be expected to help folks
> > > > with complications arising from either diabetes or obesity making this
> > > > discussion on-topic for all NGs receiving this thread.
> > >
> > > This is a science group. Can you please give proof of this?
> >
> > Looking ahead, you do not want God's Word on this which for me is
> > proof. However, I can provide scientific evidence of this and as is the
> > nature of scientific evidence, this will fall short of proof.
> >
> > > Not your
> > > beliefs, but proof.
> >
> > The Word of God is not my belief but rather is proof.
> >
> > > So the Bible is out,
> >
> > Then you do not want proof.
> >
> > > unless you can demostrate in a
> > > scientific way that the Bible in this matter is true.
> >
> > The Bible in all matters is true:
> >
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
> >
> > serves as an illustrative example.
>
> how can it be true in all matters?
The Bible is God's Word.... and God is the way, the truth, and the life.
> What about the internal conflicts, like
> two different genesis stories?
What specifically are you referring to?
> I think there are around 50 of these.
Go ahead a pick one that bothers you and we can certainly discuss it.
> However, you just showed this is not a science discussion. If the Bible is
> true in all matters, then it is a matter for religion, and not science.
When you asked for proof about the power of prayer, you asked for
information from the realm of religion.
> They
> are different area of thought. Read Stephen J. Gould's book Rock of Ages.
>
> > > Perhaps peer-reviewed articles that show that is God's intervention,
> rather
> > > than just belief or meditation that is doing this.
> >
> > Ok, here's one of many:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?K1EA25A29
>
> One of many?
Yes.
> How many?
Click on the "related articles" link from pubmed for an estimate.
> How about this one?
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11761499
> maybe the mayo clinic people sinned more? ;-)
... it is not clear they prayed to God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
> How about the ones that didn't get published?
Non-published data is regarded in the same fashion as for other areas of
scientific inquiry.
> > > I understand there are articles that show that people who live thier
> lives
> > > according to their beliefs live longer (e.g., Christians going to
> church,
> > > giving to charity, etc.). This includes athiests who do whatever
> athiests
> > > are supposed to do.
> >
> > The above cited article should serve well to enlighten you.
>
> One article. Come on.
The study is well done and does compel folks to objectively reject the
null hypothesis.
> > > Jeff
> >
> > You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
> >
> > Please consider the following to save yourself:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> No thanks.
Your informed choice.
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
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