Re: This just in: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is untruthful!

From: Martin W. Smith (no.email_at_this.time)
Date: 08/30/04 

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:54:10 +0200

Victory is mine! ...sorry, God's.

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote:

>"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>>Martin W. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Martin W. Smith" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Martin W. Smith wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >"Martin W. Smith" wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >PF Riley wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> SomeGuy wrote
>>> >> >> >> >> > God has given you many abilities, I'm sure, but logic does not seem
>>> >> >> >> >> > to be one of them. I must conclude that you are projecting.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>>> >> >> >> >> with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> — Galileo
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >What I discern is that God is very pleased when folks use the gifts He
>>> >> >> >> >has given them to glorify Him.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I don't discern that.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Then it would seem you do not have God's gift of truth discernment.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Apparently I do; you just outed yourself.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Only if I do not have God's gift of truth discernment.
>>> >>
>>> >> That's right, Andrew. You did out yourself.
>>> >
>>> >Only if I do not have God's gift of truth discernment.
>>> >
>>> >Sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual gift from God.
>>>
>>> I'm not bothered by that fact, Andrew.
>>
>>I sense otherwise.
>
>Then your discernment capability has failed, Andrew. We all have this
>sensing ability given to us by God (or most of us), so there is no
>reason for me to be bothered by you having it. It would be silly, as
>if I were bothered by you having two legs. Of course you have two
>legs. Most of us do. Of course you have the gift of discernment. Most
>of us do.
>
>>> I have the same gift, and my
>>> truth discernment capability discerns truths that contradict the
>>> truths your truth discernment capability discerns. That must mean that
>>> at least one truth in each contradictory pair must be wrong. That can
>>> only mean that ruth discernment is not enough.
>>
>>The truth is revealed below.
>>
>>> >> Your truth discernment
>>> >> capability isn't working properly.
>>> >
>>> >As if the blind can assess the visual function of the seeing.
>>>
>>> It isn't like that at all, Andrew. We have two fixed points of
>>> discernment giving contradictory results, both gifts from God. I
>>> discern that means at least one of us is not discerning the truth or
>>> is not discerning the whole truth about that which we are speaking.
>>> Therefore, my truth discernment capability appears to be working
>>> correctly, at least with respect to that truth. That strengthens the
>>> proposition that I'm right about the issue in question, and since we
>>> also know that at least one of us is wrong, it also strengthens the
>>> propsition that the person who is wrong is you.
>>
>>Nice attempt at pretending.
>>
>>> No blindness there on my part.
>>
>>No discernment on your part.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God for truth discernment.
>
>>> >> But that's true of most of us from
>>> >> time to time, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Why would I feel like the Lone Ranger?
>>>
>>> Most people aren't truely willing to admit deep down that they are
>>> sinners.
>>
>>What does the Lone Ranger have to do with sin?
>
>The Lone Ranger and his faithful Indian companian Tonto rode
>throughout the old west fighting sin.
>
>>> >We are surrounded by others with this spiritual gift (present company excluded of
>>> >course).
>>>
>>> You missed the point, which I have now stated.
>>
>>You missed the truth which I have now discerned.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God for truth discernment.
>
>>> >> >> You show you believe you
>>> >> >> have access to the truth
>>> >> >
>>> >> >My use of God's gift of truth discernment has shown more than just
>>> >> >belief.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mine too.
>>> >
>>> >You remind me of the blind man feigning vison while hoping no one will notice.
>>>
>>> Exactly what you remind me of.
>>
>>More pretending.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God.
>
>>And the blind man says, "Yes, that is what I meant to say that I saw."
>>
>>> >> And we have not seen the same sets of things.
>>> >
>>> >Goes to your pretending.
>>>
>>> I'm not pretending. You are claiming God and Jesus have spoken
>>> falsely,
>>
>>No, I have not.
>>
>>
>>> or you are claiming they have not spoken to me at all.
>>
>>I sense that you are pretending.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God.
>
>>> In
>>> either case, if they have spoken to me, they have not spoken falsely,
>>
>>Big *if* in the setting of a pretend.
>
>Andrew, if we can't question whether we have the ability to
>communicate with God, then we have no faith. If we have no faith, we
>can't communicate with God.
>
>>> and in that case, you have slandered God and Jesus.
>>
>>Observations about you do not slander God.
>
>ooops. God created me in his image.
>
>>> On the other hand,
>>> you may be claiming I am not hearing what God and Jesus are really
>>> saying, but then I can say what you did: "As if the blind can assess
>>> the visual function of the seeing," with exactly the same validity it
>>> had when you said it about me.
>>
>>More pretending.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God for truth discernment.
>
>>> In the end, only God knows which of us if either has the truth.
>>
>>Those who have God's gift of truth discernment knows who discerns and
>>who does not.
>
>Yes, we do.
>
>>> If we
>>> both believe we have the truth and act of faith, then God won't
>>> condemn either of us.
>>
>>We stand condemned by our sins. I have been saved by Christ. Who has
>>saved you?
>
>When that glorious day comes, God will decide. He won't be asking for
>your opinion.
>
>>http://www.heartmdphd.com/christ.asp
>>
>>> >> God and Jesus
>>> >> both show me truths that are different from the ones you claim they
>>> >> show you.
>>> >
>>> >It seems you are not very good at groping around in the dark.
>>>
>>> I'm not good at it,
>>
>>Thanks for confirming what I wrote.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God for truth discernment.
>
>>> which is why I'm not groping around in the dark.
>>
>>Yes, you have given up to just pretending.
>>
>>> >> This doesn't disturb me.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >I sense otherwise.
>>>
>>> That's your gift of discernment. How do you know it is working
>>> correctly?
>>
>>The same way I know I am seeing correctly.
>
>And how do you know you are seeing correctly?
>
>>> If your truth discernment capability is making you sense
>>> truth in the absence of truth, how would you know?
>>
>>The same way that I do not see what is not visible.
>
>But there are many things out there that are not visible. God, for
>example. And X-rays. Your discernment capability is not adequate.
>
>>> >> >> and others don't unless they discern what you
>>> >> >> discern.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Those who can see, see the same things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Apparently not.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >This is how we discern who is pretending.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>Yes. Sorry. You have been outed. You can stop pretending.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God. I'm not pretending. I might be wrong, but I'm not
>pretending. But you and I are working with the same set of data, and
>we have the same truth discernment capability. So if we arrive at
>different conclusions...
>
>Why does that bother you and not me?
>
>>> If we both see the same thing, we could both be pretending.
>>
>>It would be unexpected for two blind people to pretend see and describe
>>the same thing (unless they have God's gift of telepathy).
>
>It wouldn't be unexpected at all. Blind people can see very well. They
>communicate with each other and with sighted people about the world
>quite accurately.
>
>Why would you, with your gift of truth discernment, not be able to see
>that?
>
>>> If
>>> we both see different things, we could both be pretending.
>>
>>Others who can see will be able to figure out who is actually
>>pretending.
>
>Yes, they will.
>
>>> Even if we
>>> both see the same thing and it is true, we could both be pretending.
>>
>>Actually not.
>
>Actually we could.
>
>>> Faith must enter the equation.
>>
>>Actually not.
>
>Yes, it must.
>
>>> >> >Truth is simple.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sometimes.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >All the time.
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>>Yes. Sorry. You have been outed yet again. Would suggest you stop
>>pretending.
>
>I'm sorry you are bothered by the fact that I do have this spiritual
>gift from God.
>
>>> >> >> >> God tells me that none of this is about him.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Then the voices you are hearing are not from God.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> A Christian would not have said that, you see.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >No I do not see.
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Only if you were Christian would you understand.
>>>
>>> I understand.
>>
>>That is not what I discern.
>
>If you were spiritual, you would understand. I think you do
>understand, but you are pretending not to.
>
>>> God will decide if I am Christian.
>>
>>In truth, you decide.
>
>I have. And when the glorious day comes, God will judge me. He will
>not ask for your opinion.
>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>>
>>> If there is no God,
>>> then I leave it to my biographer, if there will be one.
>>
>>The choice remains yours.
>
>Yes, it does.
>
>>> >> >> A Christian would have
>>> >> >> found hope in my hearing God in a different way.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Untrue.
>>> >>
>>> >> We have a conflict here.
>>> >
>>> >Sorry you find conflict when people recognize your feign.
>>>
>>> That's the conflict, Andrew.
>>
>>Glad you now admit the feign. That is the first step.
>
>I discern desparation in your words. There has been no feign on my
>part. I don't like you. I have never presented otherwise. Everything I
>have said is truth as far as I can discern and reason. If I am in
>error, my error is an honest mistake. If I am in error, I don't ask
>for your forgiveness. You are an ***. I remain civil because that
>is what humans do. Jesus would remain civil, but I think he, too,
>would say you are an ***. I think Jesus would say, "Go and offend
>no more." But I don't know. My discernment capability tells me would
>say that to you, but I don't know. It's between you and Jesus. And
>when that glorious day comes, God won't ask for my opinion.
>
>>> Life is conflict and suffering, as the
>>> Buddha has written.
>>
>>Dead is buddha.
>
>I don't know. He might be in the state of nirvana, but he might have
>come back as Bodhisatva. That would be nice. I choose to be
>Bodhisatva.
>

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