Re: To all of you mutilators:

From: Sky KIng (laughing_at_home.net)
Date: 09/06/04 

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:07:14 GMT

In article <4q7nj0p6t5mrtlv6qt19rnmhs65892s4ju@4ax.com>, pfriley@watt-
not.com says...
> On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:26:54 -0500, Patriot <usapatriotism@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >PF Riley <pfriley@watt-not.com> wrote:
> >>On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:46:49 -0500, Patriot <usapatriotism@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>In case you have inhibitions about conducting your own experimentation, I'll
> >>>explain: There are many pros and cons to circumcision. One of the drawbacks
> >>>stems from the fact that the foreskin protects the sensitive skin of the
> >>>glans
> >>>from superficial damage that can cause lack of SENSITIVITY.
> >>
> >>This is your speculation. Can you back it up with data? Has anyone
> >>studied objectively the "sensitivity" of the glans in a circumcised
> >>vs. uncircumcised phallus?
> >
> >It's peculiar that you would accept religious dogma and biblical scripture as a
> >rationale for circumcision while rejecting my anecdotal arguments against
> >circumcision.
>
> Where did I say anything about religious dogma or biblical scripture?
> First, "Sky KIng" claims I was talking about medical circumcision,
> then you think I'm talking about religious rituals.
>
> The truth is, I made no argument for or against circumcision. I simply
> refuted your nonsense. I never made reference once to ritual,
> religious, or medical reasons for circumcision.
>
> You and "Sky KIng" are, as "Sky KIng" would claim, clearly on the
> "losing end of this argument" if you can do nothing but introduce
> straw men rather than respond to the substance of my posting.
>
> >Isn't it hypocritical and irrational to accept what your
> >"rabbi" says without further evidence and scrutiny, while demanding rigorous
> >proof from me. :-) Please ask your rabbi to present indisputable evidence
> >demonstrating that circumcision plays a useful medical role, and then get back
> >to me.
>
> It's funny how anti-Semites think everyone is Jewish. I have no rabbi
> to ask, idiot. I'm a descendant of Catholic and Protestant Western
> European immigrants, I was raised Lutheran, and am now an atheist.
>
> Here's why I'm circumcised: My father's Lutheran parents, children of
> German immigrants, did not have him circumcised as an infant. He had
> it done himself when he was 20, and was pleased with the results. He
> also endured much pain with the procedure. He therefore had me
> circumcised when I was an infant, and I'm glad he did, since I don't
> remember it. And my penis is way, way too sensitive.

Your father's way was the RIGHT way IMHO. As feminist claim when they
want to abort...its our bodies and OUR choice. We can make that
decision when we are old enough to make an informed decision..and we
cannot do that until we are old enough to learn all the medical facts.
>
> >To answer your question, I'm unaware of any study that has rigorously proven
> >the correspondence between circumcision and desensitivity. It would be fairly
> >easy to devise a program that would yield acceptable results, yet such a study
> >is unlikely to unfold in the USA given the current political climate. For
> >starters, right wing christians with victorian attitudes about sex would
> >complain that such studies are a waste of public tax dollars and tax-deductible
> >donations. And AIPAC would complain that such a study is anti-semitic and
> >object to its publication in any medical journal that might depend on
> >subscriptions from jewish doctors.
>
> Ah, you're making your conspiracy-theory excuses in advance, I see.
> Duly noted.
>
> >However, this issue has been the subject of anecdotal discussions for many
> >years and desensitivity was one of the reasons why circumcision was advocated
> >in the 40's and 50's by protestant christian doctors with victorian hangups
> >about sex. It's instructive to visit a medical library and look up topics like
> >"circumcision" and "masturbation" in textbooks used in that era.
>
> So who has hang-ups now?
>
> >>"...can be..." "probably advantageous..." "...often implies..." In
> >>other words, no basis to your speculation.
> >>
> >>Viagra has nothing to do with sensitivity of the glans.
> >
> >Of course not, but it does allow an older circumcised man to maintain an
> >erection more easily when his wife's vagina is as "big as a bucket" and his own
> >glans is desensitized from rubbing against his underwear for 30+ years. Of
> >course, if you WANT desensitivity, you need not resort to circumcision. You
> >could achieve the same long term effect of circumcision by using two
> >prophylactics at the same time. Does that sound appealing to you?
>
> No, and of course, you're completely wrong.
>
> >>Ah, so your anti-circumcision rant is actually just a feeble attempt
> >>at anti-Semitism. It's no wonder your supporting speculation is so
> >>groundless.
> >
> >Suit yourself. Personally, I think jews should be circumcised. Clearly this
> >trauma at such an early age will help jewish babies cope with a lifetime of
> >additional self-inflicted punishment. However it's not an option that I
> >would choose for my own child.
>
> Again, what value should we give to your ability for rational debate
> when you make comments like this?
>
> >Oh, one more point -- When you are middle-aged and preparing to trade in your
> >overweight princess for some young shiksa, perhaps your ex-wife will come
> >across this posting in the archives and realize that your disinterest in her
> >wasn't entirely your own fault.
>
> My wife loves my circumcised penis (as do I), she's not overweight
> (except for her enormous hooters!), I'm near middle age, and my penis
> is too sensitive as it is. Try again?
>
> PF
>

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  • Re: To all of you mutilators:
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    ... >>rationale for circumcision while rejecting my anecdotal arguments against ... >Where did I say anything about religious dogma or biblical scripture? ... or medical reasons for circumcision. ... >, I'm near middle age, and my penis ...
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