Re: How to Become a Christian, Version 1.01

From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (nospam6_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 09/09/04 

Date: 9 Sep 2004 14:54:31 -0700

"SomeGuy" <spam@spam.sp> wrote in message news:<FyY%c.1044229$6p.181415@news.easynews.com>...
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote
>
> > Mozz wrote:
> > >
> > > And yet the irony being that without Judas' 'betrayal' Jesus would not
> > > have been arrested, tried and crucified to 'save mankind'.
> >
> > No irony. All went according to God's plan. Judas was chosen to be His
> > disciple because Christ saw what was in his heart and knew that satan
> > would tempt Judas according to God's greater plan. At any time, Judas
> > could have chosen out of free will to forsake the money and this would
> > have demonstrated how man can "save" himself on his own obviating the
> > need for salvation by Christ's living sacrifice. If that had happened,
> > there would have been no need for Christ to be crucified and indeed I
> > believe He would not have been.
>
> So much for dying for the sins of man, then, eh? At the last moment, Judas
> smarten's up, tells the Romans to bugger themselves and rejoins the
> deciples.

It is not a matter of lack of intelligence. Judas was intelligent
enough to steal money without getting caught. Nor is it a matter of
lack of free will. No one forced Judas to do anything against his own
free will.

> The Jews take Jesus' teachings to heart, start a passive
> resistence movement and later settle for peace with the governers (giving
> unto Ceasar and all that). The deciples go one to spread the word of this
> really cool guy who can make wine and heal people. The introduction of the
> semaphore produces a new breed of minister, the sema-vangelists. Judaism
> flourises. Jesus mellows out, settles down with Mary M., raises a family.
> God drops in now and then to babysit the grand kids. Etc.
>
> No, God forsaw what would happen, being all powerful and all, Judas
> therefore had no choice in the matter.

Events were prophesied/foreseen in general but specifics about how
things would happen (ie who betrays whom) could have happened in a
near infinite number of permutations to allow individual free will to
be expressed.

> His actions were predestined.

Actually, no. Prophecy is not the same thing as predestination.

> He
> played his role just as was expected; hense, no free will.

That was his choice, therefore free will.

> > Similarly, it is my belief that God is using the temptation of buddhist
> > dharma to test the faith of His people. You can not "save" yourself,
> > dear Mozz whom I love, just as Judas could not "save" himself without
> > Christ.
>
> To be "saved" implies that one is in danger, Andrew.

Correct.

> Mozz is in no danger.

That is not what I sense.

> You, on the other hand, are being bitten by a dogma.

Nothing bites through God's armor.

> > > Judas was as essential a part of the Gospel myth as any other part.
> >
> > In truth, if the Gospels were a myth, there would
> > be no essential parts to them.
>
> I'll bet the kids really look forward to your bedtime stories then. (Have
> someone explain that last line to you, Andrew, because I doubt you'd
> understand it.)

(no need to doubt).

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew 

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