Re: How to Become a Christian, Version 1.01
From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (andrew_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 09/10/04
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:55:09 -0400
SomeGuy wrote:
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote .
> > "SomeGuy" <spam@spam.sp> wrote ..
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote
>
> stuff deleted
>
> > > So much for dying for the sins of man, then, eh? At the last moment,
> Judas
> > > smarten's up, tells the Romans to bugger themselves and rejoins the
> > > deciples.
> >
> > It is not a matter of lack of intelligence.
>
> Are you sure, Andrew?
Yes.
> Did you honestly believe that I thought Judas was NOT
> intelligent?
>
It is what you have written.
>
> > Judas was intelligent enough to steal
> > money without getting caught.
>
> Andrew, not getting caught is not a test of intelligence.
>
Stealing money without getting caught is a sign of intelligence.
>
> > Nor is it a matter of lack of
> > free will. No one forced Judas to do
> > anything against his own free will.
>
> You might just as easily say that no one forces a washing machine to clean
> clothes either. It does so under its own free will.
You are simply being argumentative here.
>
>
> stuff deleted
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> > > No, God forsaw what would happen, being all powerful and all, Judas
> > > therefore had no choice in the matter.
> >
> > Events were prophesied/foreseen in general but specifics about how
> > things would happen (ie who betrays whom) could have happened in a
> > near infinite number of permutations to allow individual free will to
> > be expressed.
>
> Andrew, you suggesting that God did not know who would betray Jesus!?
It was not prophesied that Judas of Iscariot would betray Jesus Christ.
> Furthermore, you are also suggesting that God is not all powerful, for if he
> were, he would know exactly what would happen.
>
It has been God's choice to allow us to have free will and yet remain all
powerful because He knows what will happen despite our exercise of our free
will.
>
> > > His actions were predestined.
> >
> > Actually, no. Prophecy is not the same thing as predestination.
>
> Predestination enables prophecy.
Prophecy is the discernment of predestination.
No one prophesied specifically that Judas would betray Jesus.
>
> > > He played his role just as was
> > > expected; hense, no free will.
> >
> > That was his choice, therefore free will.
>
> Just as it is my washing machines choice to clean my clothes.
>
Only if it is able to make such a choice.
>
> > > To be "saved" implies that one is in danger, Andrew.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> > > Mozz is in no danger.
> >
> > That is not what I sense.
>
> Your senses are mistaken.
>
Your judgment.
>
> > > You, on the other hand, are being bitten by a dogma.
> >
> > Nothing bites through God's armor.
>
> Perhaps not, but the armor itself is pinching you and cutting off
> circulation to the reasoning part of your brain.
>
God's armor does not bind.
>
> > > > In truth, if the Gospels were a myth, there would
> > > > be no essential parts to them.
> > >
> > > I'll bet the kids really look forward to your bedtime stories then.
> (Have
> > > someone explain that last line to you, Andrew, because I doubt you'd
> > > understand it.)
> >
> > (no need to doubt).
>
> Good point, I should have written "... because I know you won't understand
> it."
>
You missed your chance, sorry.
>
> > You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
>
> You mean I remain in your sig.
>
No.
>
> > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> A humble person does not demand to be put above all others.
Correct. Christ does not need to demand it because there are not others. He is
the way, the truth, and the life. And His followers know Him to be the humblest
person in the universe and so they have elected Him.
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
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