Re: How to Become a Christian, Version 1.01

From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (nospam6_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 10/31/04 

Date: 31 Oct 2004 03:53:46 -0800

"Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<10mlb0lgh114m80@corp.supernews.com>...
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > "Bob (this one)" <Bob@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<10lkc3n375rmv17@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> > <snipped --> http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y29152A69>
> >
> >>>He is omnipotent. For the Creator of the universe, directing the
> >>>course of history without taking away the free will of individuals is
> >>>a trivial undertaking.
> >>
> >>Not even God can reconcile mutually exclusive terms. Either actions
> >>were directed or the people had free will. I can accept either one
> >>(since there's no proof for either, they're unarguable) but both
> >>cannot co-exist simultaneously.
> >
> > <snipped --> http://makeashorterlink.com/?B13425869>
> >
> > Answer: Logic is subordinate to the truth which is God.
>
> This sentence is a void assertion. Still more examples of fallacies of
> assumption. No evidence for the existence of God and no evidence for
> any relationship with truth. No proof that logic is subordinate to
> anything else. Without those preconditions (and some others), the
> sentence is meaningless. It can only be offered as a statement of
> faith. And even so, it makes no sense. It assumes that God can
> logically be illogical or, bafflingly, alogical or, even more strange,
> somehow extra-logical. If that were so, then God could make a rock so
> big he couldn't lift it - while lifting it. Not even God can reconcile
> mutually exclusive terms.
>
> > Similarly, we have free will given by God but the outcomes of our
> willful actions
> > are subordinate to His greater will and plan.
>
> No. This definition of free will being promulgated by this assertion
> removes the very element of freedom from behavior that his plan
> dictates. Either we can determine our own fates by our actions or we
> can't because "our willful actions are subordinate to His greater will
> and plan." If we can't, we don't have free will. Something cannot be
> and not be at the same time. Free will *or* God's plan that directs
> us. It's that simple. Not even God can reconcile mutually exclusive
> terms.
>
> > Such truths stand without need for any proof.
>
> *No* "truths" stand without proof. Statements are "truths" because
> they've been measured against objective reality. Opinions can stand
> without proof. Faith doesn't demand proof, but then it can't be
> offered as "truth." It's merely a subjective belief.
>
> Such "truths" are your opinion. They aren't Truths because they can't
> be tested against any objective standard and they don't hold up with
> questioning scrutiny. Your saying that it's what you discern doesn't
> make it true. It only makes it your unconfirmed opinion. Particularly
> since you haven't offered anything to substantiate the existence of
> the "gift" and, further, that you have it.
>
> > Sorry you do not like the truth (shrug).
>
> I don't like faith-based assertions offered as though they were facts.
> Truth remains to be seen. And proven. Without proof it's not truth, by
> the very definition; it's at best opinion, no matter what unproven
> claims for "discernment" muddy the issues.

Simply consider the following decision tree:

(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.

Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
in God's eternal kingdom.

(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.

Benefits: Nothing.

One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Frank, Hawki, Steve,
Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out your decision
*logically*.

Truth is simple.

> Bob

May you make the right decision, someday, Bob.

You remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's name.

May He bless you on this Lord's day.

 
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew 

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