Re: Is Psychology/psychiatry a Science?

From: John M Price PhD (jmprice_at_calweb.com)
Date: 11/16/04 

Date: 16 Nov 2004 02:20:27 GMT

In sci.skeptic article <SearchResult8FromUioppuislad-0CC275.16013315112004@lust.ihug.co.nz> Uiopp <SearchResult8FromUioppuislad@faaa.co.nz> wrote:
: In article <41978006$0$19041$d368eab@news.calweb.com>,
: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

: [snip]

: > : > : > > So, how do you explain why homosexual men tend to have close
: > : > : > > mothers
: > : > : > > and
: > : > : > > distant fathers? Freud was only seeing what was there to be seen.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > You are assuming something for which you have presented no evidence.
: > : > : > Document your assertion and produce statistical facts to back it up.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Bob Kolker
: > : >
: > : > : Actually I did provide evidence. I directed Price to a recent article
: > : > : on
: > : > : sexual orientation on Simon LeVay's home page, where he admits this.
: > : >
: > : > Not that I read. Maybe you should read the whole paper.
: >
: > : Excuse me. The evidence in question was for the proposition that gay men
: > : tend to have close mothers and distant fathers. LeVay says they do. It
: > : is true he suggests a different possible explanation for this fact, but
: > : as a careful scientist, he leaves the matter open.
: >
: > Comment: These retrospective findings don't necessarily mean that
: > parental attitudes influence the child's sexual orientation in the way
: > Freud envisaged, however. A contemporary American analyst has
: > suggested that parental attitudes to pre-gay children, such as a
: > father's withdrawal or hostility, may actually be a response to
: > gender-variant traits in the child rather than a cause of them (Isay,
: > 1989, 1996).
: >
: > That is *not* support.

: You pathetic, wormy little liar. The only thing under discussion here
: was whether it was actually true that gay men tend to have close mothers
: and distant fathers. The only thing I said LeVay provided support for
: was the proposition that in fact they do - and indeed he did so.

: So, yes, actually, that is support.

The comment I inserted was LeVay's.

You need to read it with a dictionary at your side.

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