Re: Hope and a Debate (Full Article in HTML)
From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (nospam6_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 11/19/04
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Date: 18 Nov 2004 22:31:27 -0800
"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message news:<10ppohtrdah16e1@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1100799497.sNWUmyWBcWn5E4ndovqz3Q@teranews...
> > GaryG wrote:
> >
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1100791006.qB+FwW3dy2thdJAnqjNVAg@teranews...
> > > > GaryG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have mixed feelings about the cost-benefit ratio of those CT
> scans.
> But,
> > > > > one issue not mentioned in that article is the scans' impact on
> one's
> > > > > insurability.
> > > > >
> > > > > Based on personal experience, I would advise anyone considering
> undergoing
> > > > > this, or any other non-prescribed prophylactic procedure, to:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) use an alternative physician
> > > > > Do not use your primary physician, if it's necessary to get a
> referral.
> > > > > This will keep the CT scan "off the books" of your primary
> physician.
> If
> > > > > you ever have to change health care providers, this can be useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) do not submit the bill to your health insurance company
> > > > > Again, this strategy keeps the records of your scan below the radar
> of
> your
> > > > > insurance company. With the newly established "Health Savings
> Accounts",
> > > > > you can pay for these types of voluntary, preventive procedures from
> your
> > > > > HSA account instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, if you're admitted due to chest pains, or your primary
> physican's
> > > > > recommendations, there's not much you can do. But, for voluntary
> procedures
> > > > > (of any kind), it's best to keep your health insurance company out
> of
> the
> > > > > loop.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my case, I had a "full body CT scan" a few years ago when a local
> clinic
> > > > > first opened up and offered a substantial discount on the
> procedure's
> price.
> > > > > As a former smoker, and with a family history of heart disease, I
> wanted
> to
> > > > > find out for myself if I was at risk.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CT scan showed a very healthy heart, but noted a single small
> > > > > "granularity" in my lungs. The radiologist noted that it was
> probably
> > > > > benign, but recommended I come back in 6 months to get it assessed.
> I
> > > > > ignored this advice, because I felt it wasn't worth another scan
> (plus,
> I
> > > > > ride my bicycle about 4,000 miles per year, up and down mountains,
> and
> never
> > > > > have had any breathing problems whatsoever).
> > > > >
> > > > > When I tried to change health insurance providers earlier this year,
> I
> got
> > > > > jammed up due to the CT scan in my medical records. The insurance
> company
> > > > > was concerned that I had a "pre-existing condition", and I ended up
> having
> > > > > to go to my primary physician, get a chest X-ray, and have him write
> a
> > > > > letter explaining that I was very fit, and not a risk. In future,
> any
> of my
> > > > > voluntary procedures will utilize a different physician and if
> anyone
> asks
> > > > > I'll tell them I'm "self-insured"...crazy, but that's the system for
> now.
> > > > >
> > > > > GG
> > > >
> > > > What you describe are your health insurance's attempts to control the
> > > > ever-rising costs of health care.
> > >
> > > Whether the health insurance company is attempting to control rising
> costs,
> > > or simply maximize their profits by refusing to insure folks they think
> > > might get sick, I don't really care.
> > >
> > > With the current system, I think it's best to utilize two physicians -
> one
> > > for everyday matters (innoculations, colds/flus, injuries, etc.), and
> > > another "off the books" physician for anything that the health and/or
> life
> > > insurance companies might find "risky".
> > >
> > > GG
> >
> > A doctor not given the entire medical history is going to provide at best
> > suboptimal care.
>
> Agreed...my primary care physician is aware of any tests and treatments I
> receive from my "off the books" medical provider. However, I request that
> he not include any of those in my files at his office. He is aware of my
> reasons, and has cooperated with my approach, as his primary interest is my
> health, and not serving as a financial filter for the health insurance
> companies.
>
> GG
>
> >
> > Simply a few words to the wise.
>
> In this case, I agree with your "judgement" (or, is it "discernment"?) :-).
Neither judgment nor discernment... simply the truth.
> GG
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for folks such as yourself, Gary, who have chosen to walk in the
"dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Steve, Bob, Zee,
Frank, Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not
thought out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W3D612CC9). All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.
Please do consider the following as your logic should dictate before
it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
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