Re: How to Become a Christian, Version 1.01
From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (nospam6_at_heartmdphd.com)
Date: 11/23/04
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Date: 23 Nov 2004 10:18:55 -0800
chandler2368@hotmail.com (Steve the Sauropodman) wrote in message news:<fd9543a1.0411230659.1f47a3a3@posting.google.com>...
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:<1101138073.YNan6Un9tAhFpMuc6Su80w@teranews>...
> > Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:<1100903227.ThjUM2scy3oWAgPYKpFDgA@teranews>...
> > > > Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message news:<1100821842.rg2xHUbv7drqCiBZJPa3mw@teranews>...
> > > > > > Hawki63 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: How to Become a Christian, Version 1.01
> > > > > > > >From: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" andrew@heartmdphd.com
> > > > > > > >Date: 11/18/2004 11:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > > > > > > >Message-id: <1100804944.y7hH0YhY1XwnLzw+5XgW5Q@teranews>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > <snipped once more for brevity>
> > >
> > > Your response is both quite predictable , and more than aptly supports
> > > the assertions in my previous post.
> >
> > Your snipping my response suggests otherwise.
> >
> > > Bob Myers' reply is particularly
> > > succinct.
> >
> > Succinctly untrue.
>
> How flippant.
Your judgment.
> But that is the least I would expect from any
> fundamental religionist.
You should expect this of anyone who values the truth.
> > > Rec. food.cooking is a discussion area for food related,
> > > and fundamentalist horn-blowing is entirely inappropriate.
> >
> > If that is your judgment, then why are you responding to my post in a
> > thread whose subject is clearly off-topic ?
>
> It is an observation that has been expressed by myself and others.
Observations are not expressed but they might be shared or compared.
Judgments/opinions, however, are expressed.
In this way, what is in your heart has been revealed. Such is the
power of God Who is infinitely greater than either you or me. For He
knows what is in your heart and is able to bring it out even when you
would will otherwise. Let all those who have eyes see this.
Now you may make another attempt at answering the simple question that
has been asked:
"If that is your judgment, then why are you responding to my post in a
thread whose subject is clearly off-topic ?"
> > > I am
> > > particularly surprised, that one presumably educated in the modern
> > > life sciences should hold such a narrow-minded worldview.
> >
> > All true scientists seek the truth and adhere to it when they find it.
>
> How true,
It is simply that.
> and they don't bury themselves in religious cant, or seek to
> explain the world around them with appeals to divine authority, or
> divine punishment.
Agree.
> > > But then
> > > logic, rationality, open-mindedness, and constructive debate have
> > > never been the forte of any fundamentaist religious group, regardless
> > > of their foundational belief system.
>
> > Truth is the forte of those who walk with Christ.
>
> See previous comment.
See above.
> > Those who discern the truth are masters of logic, rationality,
> > open-mindedness and debate. That should be clearly evident in this
> > ever-growing thread.
>
> Religious fundamentalismreligion is most certainly not based upon
> logic, rationality, or open-mindedness.
Correct (I know what you are trying to write :-).
> In fact, just the opposite.
Agree.
> In both the past and the present, those that disagree with entrenched
> religious beliefs have been ostracized, villified, punished or even
> killed.
... by those who are unable to discern the truth.
> > > Playing with the semantics of my post, as your reply atempts, does
> > > little to bolster your position. Your postings are still unwarrented
> > > in this group. I could ask how you deemed that r.f.c was "chosen" -
> > > but I'm not interested if some supernatural componant comprises all or
> > > part of the explaination.
> >
> > You must be a member of one of those fundamentalist religious groups who
> > lack open-mindedness since it seems you are not interested in the truth.
>
> I do believe that I clearly stated that I am an atheist.
Atheism is itself a fundamentalist religious group.
> I do not
> believe in the supernatural.
It seems you only believe in yourself.
> I am a scientist, and the search for
> knowledge, or "truth" has always been paramount.
Knowledge changes... truth does not. You would have known this had
you been able to discern the truth.
> To descend into
> superstition should be repugnant to any open-minded individual.
Agree.
> > Would suggest you would be wiser to seek the truth.
>
> I am not the one embracing an early medieval version, of ancient
> Middle Eastern myths.
It seems you are embracing yourself.
> > > The supernatural simply and plainly does
> > > not exist.
> >
> > Perhaps you should open your eyes and look around.
>
> I have - hence my conclusions on the supernatural.
You would hold onto these conclusions though you now have evidence
several lines up that you should reject your null hypothesis ?
If the answer is "yes", then how can you explain how the truth has
been revealed against your will?
Clearly this evidence should have you rejecting your null hypothesis
that there is no supernatural will greater than your own.
> >
> > > It is not so much that the thread, in and of itself,
> > > offends me, rather it is the contextual framework that I find both
> > > morally and intellectually offensively. There are millions of good,
> > > decent, moral people who are not fundamentalist Christians - who
> > > embrace other faiths, are agnostics, or like myself atheists. To
> > > suggest that Christian biblical literalists are somehow superior, or
> > > possess some uniquely gifted relationship with God, or Jesus is
> > > isolationist bigotry. THAT is what offends me. Not the alleged words
> > > God, or Jesus.
> >
> > It seems that the truth offends you.
>
> Do you read for comprehension?
Yes.
> > > As for the unfortunate Theon, his council may have been unwise in your
> > > opinion, but it was the Christian community that sexually humiliated,
> > > tortures and murdered a brilliant mathematician, philosopher and
> > > astronomer because her beliefs differed, and her Platonist scientific
> > > observations ran counter to the misogynistic, superstitious nonsense
> > > of the mob.
> >
> > Again, it would be my choice to refrain from judging others especially
> > if they are in another time period.
>
> I see - judging others in the present, with your doom-saying, and
> warning or hell-fire and brimstone if much more appealing.
Do you read for comprehension?
> >
> >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > "Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be
> > > made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round. To
> > > consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
> > > Adolf Hitler
> >
> > Such would be the thoughts of someone who has lost faith in the truth.
> >
> > It is written in Ephesians 2:
> >
> > 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
> > works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
> >
> > All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
> > Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time because
> > there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about aimlessly
> > thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your* labor,
> > *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is tantamount to
> > self-worship.
> >
> > For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
> >
> > 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
> > to the Father except through me..."
> >
> > This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree for
> > the untruthful folks such as yourself, Steve, who have chosen to walk in
> > the "dark":
> >
> > (1) Accept Christ.
> > Risk: Nothing.
> >
> > Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches
> > in God's eternal kingdom.
> >
> > (2) Reject Christ.
> > Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
> > satan.
> >
> > Benefits: Nothing.
> >
> > Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Bob, Zee, Frank,
> > Hawki, Rolando, Don et al) who would reject Christ have not thought out
> > their decision *logically*.
> >
> > Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example of
> > untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers out
> > of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring him
> > (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?W3D612CC9). All this power belongs to God
> > who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
> > (http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
> > love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
> >
> > You will be in my prayers, dear Steve whom I love, in Christ's holy
> > name.
> >
> > May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
> > you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
> >
> > Please do consider the OP as your logic should dictate before it is too
> > late:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> > (Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
> > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> > is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
> > arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
> > Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
> > 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His
> > presence known here on Usenet :-)
> >
> >
> > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> >
> > Andrew
>
>
> I've snipped the rest because I wouldn't want anyone to misconstrue
> that you might consciusly or unconsciously be engaging is self-worship
I am not Jesus Christ.
> - you know - by incessantly listing your qualifications, and
> certifications.
What you snipped was not a list of my qualifications and/or
certifications.
<snipped --> http://makeashorterlink.com/?M19522AD9>
Now for the truth...
It is written in Ephesians 2:
10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good
works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
All is a waste of time until you find the way to eternal life with the
Creator of the universe. When you do, there is no waste of time
because there will be an infinite amount of it. Walking about
aimlessly thinking it is *your* time, *your* money, *your* lot, *your*
labor, *your* profit, and *your* power that you are using is
tantamount to self-worship.
For Christ lights up the way through John 14:
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me..."
This bring us back again to the following very simple decision tree
for the untruthful folks such as yourself, Steve, who have chosen to
walk in the "dark":
(1) Accept Christ.
Risk: Nothing.
Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable
riches in God's eternal kingdom.
(2) Reject Christ.
Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by
satan.
Benefits: Nothing.
Again, one has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, Bob, Zee, Frank,
Hawki, Rolando, Sarah, Kate, Don et al) who would reject Christ have
not thought out their decision *logically*.
Would suggest you cast a glance at Bob Pastorio as a special example
of untruthfully eloquent self-worship (BTW, Bob remains in my prayers
out of Christian love) who is being driven to madness by my ignoring
him (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V29A236C9 and more recently
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K50B237D9). All this power belongs to
God who has judged Bob Pastorio with His Word
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?G33F51E69). All praises to Him, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-)
You will be in my prayers, dear Steve whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.
Please do consider the OP as your logic should dictate before it is
too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
(Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He
is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments,
the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger
sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and
satan], and the 2PD Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ
did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ ** Who is the humblest person in the universe? http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 What is all this about? http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48 Is this spam? http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
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