Re: Red Meat NO GOOD, Veggies no protection.... NOW WHAT?

From: pearl (tea_at_signguestbook.ie)
Date: 01/16/05 

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:42:52 -0000

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in message news:34srioF4eaasgU1@individual.net...
> pearl wrote:
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> > '.. disease rates were significantly associated within a range of dietary
> > plant food composition that suggested an absence of a disease
> > prevention threshold. That is, the closer a diet is to an all-plant foods
> > diet, the greater will be the reduction in the rates of these diseases.'
> > http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Nov98/thermogenesis_paper.html
>
> That source fails to mention fish.

Fish is not a plant food!

> Eating fish or supplementing with
> fish oils have a special role in diet which is very different from other
> animal products.

'No benefit from fish for low-risk heart disease populations

Whilst fish may have a part to play in reducing risks of heart disease in
high-risk populations - i.e. those who have already had a heart attack -
the same cannot be said for low-risk heart disease populations. A
systemic review looking at the role of fish in heart disease by Marckmann
and Gronbaek in 1999 found that fish consumption is not associated with
reduced coronary heart disease mortality in low-risk populations. They
conclude that individuals at low-risk of heart disease and with healthy
lifestyles do not gain any additional protection for the heart from eating
fish. The authors also question whether the apparent protection in
high-risk individuals is directly caused by eating the fish itself or whether
the link might be explained by other dietary or non-dietary confounders.23

In total, six of the 11 studies identified by Marckmann and Gronbaek
were unable to conclude that fish consumption protected against death
from coronary heart disease. Some other research has also questioned
the purported protective properties of fish. Not only did a study in
1997 find no support for the hypothesized link between fish omega-3
fatty acids and coronary heart disease risk reduction, the researchers
actually found that consumption of fish omega-3 fatty acids was
associated with up to a 30% increased risk of coronary death.24
Other more recent research by Burr et al found that male angina
patients given advice to eat oily fish also had a higher risk of cardiac
death, particularly in those supplied with fish oil supplements.25
In another study, eight out of 11 adolescents experienced nosebleeds
whilst taking fish oil supplements for treatment of genetically related
high cholesterol levels.26 And a systematic review of published
papers investigating whether marine fatty acids can reduce the risk
of certain cancers, like breast and prostate cancer, failed to show
any such beneficial association.2
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/fish/reporttext.htm#no

> That is the reason why fish eaters have the longest
> life-expectancy. In this meta-analysis of five studies fish eaters have
> the lowest mortality, slightly lower than vegetarians.
>
> Timothy J Key et al, Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians:
> detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective
> studies. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 70, No. 3,
> 516S-524S, September 1999
>
> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/516S
>
> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/516S/T7

Indeed. Repost --------

"Steve" nospam@please.reply.to.group.thanks.com
wrote in message news:ces0i723ha@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Hi;
>
> I went to the NAVS annual 5 day live in convention ( Summfest ) this
> year for my vacation.
>
> It is 5 days of lectures ( and gourmet vegan food ) on all aspects of
> vegetarianism.
>
> Dr. Michael Klapper, Dr. Michael Gregor, Brenda Davis RD, and George
> Eisman RD were speaking at it as well as attending Summerfest.
>
> They worked with the staff of Summerfest to make sure everyone attending
> got a special message from them. That message was that many vegetarians
> and vegans are not taking care of themselves, .....even minimally.
>
> Dr. Michael Klapper has been running a vegan health research project.
> He was very serious when he told us that he is seeing a lot of vegans
> with cardiovascular disease ( b-12 deficiency),
> neurological issues (b-12), osteoporosis, orthopedic issues, type 2
> diabetes ( too many flour products and sweets ) and even clinical
> obesity( flour products, sweets, junkfood ).
>
> The other vegan health experts there confirmed Dr. Klapper's findings
> with their own clinical experiences.
>
> In a nutshell, Dr. Klapper said many of the problems he has seen go
> back to vegans ( and vegetarians ) needing to regularly use a reliable
> source of vitamin B-12, increasing their calcium intake, increasing
> their intake of fresh green vegetables, increasing their intake of fresh
> yellow/orange vegetables, securing a source of iodine, securing a source
> of essential fatty acids, reducing their consumption of sweets,
> minimizing their use of refined flour products (pasta, breads, bagels,
> etc.), reducing sodium, reducing consumption of processed foods and
> getting more exercise. This is not a new message, but the experts at
> Summerfest emphasized -- with a palpable sense of caring and urgency --
> that many vegetarians and vegans are simply not following this advice,
> to their great detriment.
>
> I would have to write a book to go into all of the fascinating details,
> but Summerfest speaker Brenda Davis, RD has already revised her great
> book "Becoming Vegetarian" to cover these issues. The book covers both
> veganism and vegetarianism and I recommend it to everyone as being the
> best veg*n nutrition book I have ever read.
>
> Anyway, sorry to blather on and for being overly serious, but the talks
> I went to made a big impression on me. These speakers were experts, pro
> vegan, pro vegetarian, and WORRIED about the community.
>
> HTH
>
> Steve
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