Re: Red Meat NO GOOD, Veggies no protection.... NOW WHAT?

From: usual suspect (support_at_our.troops)
Date: 01/19/05 

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:12:51 GMT

pearl wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <someguy@ph.con> wrote in message news:hgaHd.324$PA2.159@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>pearl wrote:
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>>>"usual suspect" <support@our.troops> wrote in message news:g59Hd.28542$Ta2.20154@fe2.texas.rr.com...
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>>>>Because pyrethrum is very lethal.
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>>>
>>>Get back to us when you have some evidence of collateral deaths
>>>due to the application of pesticides in organic farming
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>>What the *** do you think they apply the stuff for in
>>the first place, stupid twat Lesley? TO KILL VARMINTS!
>
> Not vertebrates.

What about fish? What about humans? What about birds? Those are ALL
vertebrates. References to "NON-TARGET SPECIES" are to CDs, dummy.

Organic pesticides are as toxic as their synthetic counterparts, and
many of them are banned under the Rotterdam Convention:
      The Convention has already been signed by 73 countries –
      including Brazil – and ratified by 18. It will come into effect
      once there are 50 signatory countries.The original products list
      included 22 organic pesticides considered to be *highly toxic*...
      http://www.nex.org.br/english/denucias_envenenamento.htm

[Highly toxic meaning those organic pesticides affect non-target
species, including humans, dummy.]

An organic pesticide called Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane is banned
because of its pervasive toxicity. You probably have heard of it by its
initials: DDT.
http://www.epa.gov/history/publications/formative6.htm

[DDT was linked to the death of bald eagles, a non-target species, dummy.]

Organic pesticides kill fish:
     While some organic pesticides may be nontoxic or are only
     slightly toxic to people, they may be very toxic to other
     animals. For instance, *the organic pesticide ryania is very
     toxic to fish*.
     http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm

[Fish are a non-target species, dummy.]

Organic pesticides kill a variety of *non-target species*, and foods
grown organically are not labeled "pesticide free":
     Organic pesticides are used widely. Some are toxic. Rotenone
     *kills fish*. Copper sulphate *kills many creatures*. In California,
     an organic pesticide, sulphur, represents one-third of all
     pesticide use. For obvious reasons, organic farmers don’t call
     their produce "pesticide free."
     http://www.ontariocorn.org/ocpmag/pestruth.html
See also:
http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=1677

Copper sulphate is more harmful to a variety of species than its
conventional counterpart:
     Leake candidly criticized organic farmers for using nasty but
     "natural" pesticides. "The use of copper and sulphur fungicide
     sprays seems inconsistent with the claim that organic
     agriculture is pesticide-free. On examination, the
     *eco-toxicology of copper sulphate is undoubtedly more harmful
     and persistent than its conventional counterpart, Mancozeb*."

     Leake even provided a handy table, showing that the copper
     sulphate used by organic farmers is *toxic to humans, very toxic
     to earthworms and fish, moderately toxic to birds and harmful to
     small mammals*.
     http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articles/2000/sep_8_00.htm

Effects of copper sulphate -- an organic pesticide/fungicide -- on a
variety of species including humans:
     There have been reports of *human suicide* resulting from the
     ingestion of gram quantities of this material.... Copper sulfate
     is very toxic to fish.... Copper sulfate is *toxic to aquatic
     invertebrates, such as crab, shrimp and oysters*. Based on data
     on the potential hazards posed by this material to the
     *slackwater darter, freshwater mussels, and Solano grass*, and in
     an effort to *minimize exposure of endangered species* to this
     material, applicators in some counties are required to consult
     EPA endangered species bulletins before applying copper sulfate.
     http://tinyurl.com/5y4hm

Organic pesticides ARE toxins:
     Organic pesticide - not an oxymoron, because many organic
     farmers use pesticides. A pesticide is any compound that kills
     pests. So Rotenone is considered an organic pesticide even
     though it does a fantastic job of killing pests and has
     questionable safety. Rotenone is derived from the roots of
     various South American legumes. It is a nerve poison that
     paralyzes insects. Other organic pesticides include copper
     compounds that can be *tough on other organisms and the
     environment*. Pyrethrins are pesticides derived from the
     pyrethrum daisies. They are a nerve poison that is effective on
     a wide range of insects. *Pyrethrins are moderately toxic to
     mammals* and *highly toxic to fish*. It is *illegal to apply them
     around ponds or waterways*. So even though it says "organic", it
     can still *pack a nasty punch*.
     http://www.springledgefarm.com/glossary.htm

The ball is back in your court, you stupid fucking idiot.

   And while insect deaths are regrettable,
> we have to eat to survive.
>
>>God DAMN, you are just a fucking clod.
>
> Projection.

He's spot-on.

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