Re: Illegal Immigrants Inundate Hospitals

From: Bill (yyy_at_yyy.yyy)
Date: 01/20/05 

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:00:18 GMT

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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anytime you want to return to relevance, please do so. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far, you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming, somehow, that Germany not having the bomb has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do with immigrants creating the US. That's a championship
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sequitur deluxe. Congratulations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You continue to miss the point. You have claimed that immigrants
>>>>>>>>>>>> have nothing to do with making the US what it is today.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you feel the need to distort my argument, then you probably
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have much of an argument yourself. You claim that "immigrants
>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>>>> the US." I claim they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have it your way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's just have it the way it is, which means you quit your
>>>>>>>>> bullshitting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now you claim that my argument is that
>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants "have nothing to do with making the US what it is
>>>>>>>>>>> today."
>>>>>>>>>>> See your problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I pointed out that immigrants caused the Manhatten project to
>>>>>>>>>>>> start and contributed significantly to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, immigrants did not cause the Manhattan Project to start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I pointed out precisely the opposite. It was Einstein who signed
>>>>>>>>>> the letter to Roosevelt, Szelard who wrote it, and actually Teller
>>>>>>>>>> who drove the care which case the two to meet. They were all
>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. This letter caused the Manhatten project to start. You
>>>>>>>>>> have not contridicted this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The letter was written in 1939. The Manhattan Project began in
>>>>>>>>> 1942.
>>>>>>>>> A number of arguments and events were involved in the creation of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Manhattan Project. To claim that "This letter caused the Manhatten
>>>>>>>>> project to start" is quite a stretch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it is entirely true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In 1939, at the urging of Dr. Leo Szilard, Einstein wrote to
>>>>>>>> President Roosevelt warning of a new discovery of a "nuclear chain
>>>>>>>> reaction in a large mass of uranium." Einstein forewarned President
>>>>>>>> Roosevelt that the discovery of such a reaction could lead to the
>>>>>>>> construction of "extremely powerful bombs of a new type." Einstein
>>>>>>>> also mentioned that Dr. Leo Szilard was working on this and urged the
>>>>>>>> US to find this reaction before Germany. It was Einstein's letter
>>>>>>>> that led President Roosevelt to funding uranium research and later to
>>>>>>>> the Manhattan Project."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, that paragraph the provides a brief and incomplete telling
>>>>>>> of the facts. And second, even at that, it includes one of the
>>>>>>> events -- uranium research -- that I refer to as happening
>>>>>>> between Einstein's letter and the beginning three years
>>>>>>> later of the Manhattan Project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.nuclearfiles.org/rebios/einsteinalbet.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course it is brief. But the point is that this is historical
>>>>>> consensus.
>>>>>
>>>>> That Einstein and other immigrants started the Manhattan Project?
>>>>> One sketchy paragraph indicates to you a "historical consensus?"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I could point to other examples.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But such stretches are common
>>>>>>>>> with you, aren't they. "Immigrants created the US." That's another
>>>>>>>>> of your stretches, isn't it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it is obviously true. Without immigrants there would only be
>>>>>>>> Native Americans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now you're going in circles. To populate is not to create.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without them there would be no America. And certainly they created the
>>>>>> orchard as you put it previously.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, no, they didn't create the orchard and I never said they
>>>>> did.
>>>>> In fact, the entire point of my orchard metaphor was to point out to
>>>>> you that they didn't create the orchard. Your inability to read or
>>>>> you just plain sloppy intellectualism is beginning to piss me off, Bill.
>>>>> I mean, I don't work with chimps.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> participated in it, but it was an American project, run by
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans,
>>>>>>>>>>> on American soil ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Without them someone else might have developed the A-bomb. Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>> dispute that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you want me to speculate on your speculation. I see.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Absoulety not. I just pointed it out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The question mark that accompanies your "just pointed it out"
>>>>>>>>> suggests otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need better glasses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unbelievable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seeing things that are not there and then not believing the
>>>>>> reality, may explain something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, ***, do you see a question mark in the following, as copied
>>>>> from above, as it's appeared in several posts in which you deny its
>>>>> existence:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok. Now you are reduced to name calling. I was hoping for that for all to
>>>> see.
>>>
>>> I forgot one: you'e a nutcase, Bill.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hey, I thought you were done. You are a hateful bigot
>
>
> Golly, you really know how to hurt a guy ...
>
>> who hides behind a veneer of reason,
>
> Actually, the substance of reason is facts and logic, and they
> really cannot be a "veneer."
>

In your case, they are false and easily shown to be so. Thus a veneer.

>> but when that is scratched the hate comes out and any attempt at reasoned
>> discussion leaves.
>
> Pointing out that you're an idiot is perfectly reasonable.
>
>> Does it still bother you that taking care of the sick is consistent with
>> Christian teachings? (To get back on topic.)
>
> Frankly, the "sick" who arrive, live, and work here by the millions
> and in violation of our laws certainly need to be taken care of, but
> my idea of taking care of them has nothing to do with anything
> other than deporting them. Apply your alleged "Christian"
> teachings to that.
>
>

Yes, hate and bigotry. You would also deport legal Mexicans. As for "alleged"
here is what Christ teaches about that:

http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=25&version=31
   34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed
by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the
creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I
was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you
invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you
looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

   37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry
and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see
you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When
did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

   40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of
the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

   41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I
was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me
nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed
clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not
look after me.’

   44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a
stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

   45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of
the least of these, you did not do for me.’

   46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to
eternal life.”

Bill

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