Re: Major Confrontation Brewing Between Big Pharma and Natural Health Movement

From: Robert (RobertJ_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 01/31/05 

Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:13:15 -0800

"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message > >> What a dopey
statement. Even our most militant pro-alts won't usually
> >> go that far. Antibiotics cure,
> >Most antibiotics are given for bacteriostatic levels and do not kill
> >bacteria but leave it to the bodies owns defenses. The giving of
antibiotics
> >do not touch the susceptibility of the person to infection. Given the
> >resistance characteristic of bacteria to merely treat an infection
without
> >dealing with the reason for the infection then it is pointless. Don't
> >believe me then ask someone with recurrent infections.
>
> I wasn't talking about someone with recurrent infections. Besides, if
> someone is being repeatedly re-infected, then re-cured, the
> antibiotics still work, but the patient needs to do something
> different.

You have no idea on how to treat people with infections. If a patient with
cystic fibrosis repeatedly gets Pseudomonas infections, the bacteria will
eventually develop a resistance to the antibiotic. The goal is to cure the
cystic fibrosis not to just simply cure the infection.

>
> Also, I'd forgotten that you had your own quaint definition of the
> word "cure," carefully torturing its meaning till it screams.
I thought the word cure meant that you would not get another infection? If
you treat a urinary tract infection with antibiotics repeatedly and not
treat the underlying condition then it is not a cure.

>
> >> and so do some other drugs. Surgery
> >> can cure.
> >
> >Surgery can treat damage incurred tissue but it is not ideal.
>
> I don't recall seeing the word "ideal" before. I have no interest in
> allowing you to drag it in now.
>
> >> As for benefits long term, if many of these acute conditions are not
> >> corrected, they'll kill you short-term, so worrying about the long
> >> term is pretty pointless.
> >
> >Modern medicine agrees with you which is why a lot of drugs kill people
and
> >they don't mind for that very reason.
>
> It's stupid to say that "they don't mind" unless you are intending to
> portray all doctors as heartless fiends. Maybe that's your intention.
> If so, you're an idiot.

I stand corrected then by saying that they do mind giving deadly drugs but
they do it anyways because as you state it they have no alternatives for the
short term survival. They do so in a loving way and it makes such deaths,
such as Vioxx and others, a valuable learning tool to make drugs safer.
Basic medicine 101 in assuming that new drugs and most cutting edge ones
involving cancer and other terminal illnesses are experimental and
dangerous. For a doctor to claim ignorance is inexcusable. It is better to
prescribe the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

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