Re: silver as antimicrobe Re: distinguishing plate silver from solid silver

From: Archimedes Plutonium (a_plutonium_at_iw.net)
Date: 01/31/05 

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:17:00 -0600

Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:06:02 -0500 Marshall Dudley wrote:
(much snipped; too much to respond to)

>
> That could be one mechanism, but I do not believe it to be the major one for several
> reasons. First in the process of killing a bacteria, the silver does not seem to be used
> up. Secondly, silver is a known virucide as well as an algaecide and fungicide (although
> not as good as copper for fungus), and as you point out, sulfur is not required. Silver
> is known by those who have tried it to be very effective against both the flu and colds,
> which are both viral.

Thanks, I did not know that. And I am always on the alert for something that may lead clues
down the path of discovery of Alzheimers, prion and Parkinsons. Recently it was found that
well-water contains a bacteria and fungus that causes Parkinsons. And it is know that prion
molecules have a metal atom. So I wonder if perhaps silver if it gets into an animal can
start the onset of one of these diseases or has a major role.

>
>
> A more logical explanation I believe is that the silver acts as a catalyst, oxidizing the
> bacteria. (silver is known to be a very good oxidizing catalyst) Silver is a good
> oxidizer, and it is well known that oxidizing agents are very good germicides. Examples
> are H2O2 and O3. When an oxygen molecule is absorbed onto a silver particle, the oxygen
> molecule becomes two oxygen atoms which are adsorbed onto the surface of the particle.
> The oxygen atom is much more reactive than an O2, and when contact with a bacteria occurs,
> it reacts with something in the bacteria and kills it. Some papers claim that silver
> also acts with the respiratory mechanism of the bacteria shutting it down and causing the
> bacteria to suffocate, but that would not explain how it kills anaerobic bacteria. Fact
> is, sufficient research has not been done to determine the means by which it works,
> although that it does kill bacteria is pretty well a proven fact.

Marshall, I have to comment on the rest of your post later, for you supplied me with too much
to think about at this moment.

Okay, it does not kill by the sulfur bonding. It kills as an oxidizer as one hypothesis. But
I wonder, Marshall, whether silver kills as a hydrogen absorber. I know the relative of
silver is palladium which is the superlative element that absorbs hydrogen and all
biochemical molecules are defined by their hydrogen bonds. So I wonder, or speculate whether
the mechanism that silver kills microbes is its hydrogen absorbing tendency.

And if that is true, Marshall, then is a germ killed if its hydrogen bonds are reconfigured??

Question Marshall, since you researched and played around with this stuff. Does silver really
kill these microbes or does it just put them in dormancy or rest? Because if it is a hydrogen
bond reconfiguration, then the mechanism would be one of a dormancy or latency of the microbe
and not a killing of the microbe. It could also be a mutation of the microbe so that you have
some virus or bacteria after contact with silver that is mutated to be an even worse disease
threat. So basically I am asking whether these microbes are fully dead or whether they are
dormant. Or perhaps a mix of the two where some are killed but others mutated and alive.

I have not read the abstract in your other post as to a possible mechanism and will do so
later.

P.S. I too have seldom been sick and not had a winter cold in many years but that I attribute
to the fact that in winter I never eat out, never eat any restaurant food and never go to
school or public places where alot of people congregate. If you stay away from people and
prepared foods you can avoid winter sickness quite easily. I would say that schools are
Mother Natures way of spreading the common cold virus to the maximum number of population.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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