Re: Graves gets it wrong

From: Managed Resistance (wduke_at_sympatico.ca)
Date: 02/24/05 

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:56:33 -0500

George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:

> >
> > Is it not true that most fascists tend to lean more toward a socialist
> > or communist slant?
>
> No. They tend toward dictatorships, which are about control. That means
> that economically they are likely to nationalize many businesses, which
> is a characteristic that they share with the ultra-left which also tends
> toward dictatorships and other forms of totalitarianism which likewise
> tend to nationalize businesses, which, although for a different
> "ideological" or "economic" reason, amounts to the same thing. It just
> shows that too much of anything is bad.

Huh? You argued my statement by reiterating everything that I said!
I said that most fascists lean toward socialism or communism. Last
time I checked, you couldn't go much further left than in a heavily
socialist or communist state.

Smoke a little too much crack tonight?

You tell me that I am wrong, then you proceed to say the same thing that
I said. Ah well, takes all kinds...

>
> > Fascists, typically, are neither progressive or conservative. Fascists
> > are self-serving. Fascists manipulate and deceive people into
> > believing that their way is the *best* way and, therefore, the *only*
> > way.
>
> And Communists don't?

I don't know why I'm wasting my time even responding to you. You
appear to be a total idiot!

Did I not say that the typical fascist tends to be either socialist or
communist?

Josef Stalin was a fascist dictator. He was also a communist!
Adolf Hitler was a fascist dictator. He was also a socialist!

Wow!

I really cannot believe that I'm wasting my time responding to you!
> >
> > Fascists never offer or allow alternatives.
>
> And Communists do?
>
> > Do these fascist hallmarks suggest a conservative nature? I don't
> > believe so!
>
> They are the ultimate right-wingers. You seem to miss the point that
> Fascism, like Communism, consists of more than just a set of ideological
> dogmas. There are other things involved too such as economic and
> militaristic considerations.

I'm struggling to find an example of one fascist dictator that was not
either a socialist or a communist.

I can't think of any! 

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