Re: Graves gets it wrong
From: John Que (123456789travelguide_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 02/26/05
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:57:44 -0800
"Managed Resistance" <wduke@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Is it not true that most fascists tend to lean more toward a socialist
> > > or communist slant?
> >
> > No. They tend toward dictatorships, which are about control. That means
> > that economically they are likely to nationalize many businesses, which
> > is a characteristic that they share with the ultra-left which also tends
> > toward dictatorships and other forms of totalitarianism which likewise
> > tend to nationalize businesses, which, although for a different
> > "ideological" or "economic" reason, amounts to the same thing. It just
> > shows that too much of anything is bad.
>
> Huh? You argued my statement by reiterating everything that I said!
> I said that most fascists lean toward socialism or communism. Last
> time I checked, you couldn't go much further left than in a heavily
> socialist or communist state.
>
> Smoke a little too much crack tonight?
>
> You tell me that I am wrong, then you proceed to say the same thing that
> I said. Ah well, takes all kinds...
>
> >
> > > Fascists, typically, are neither progressive or conservative.
Fascists
> > > are self-serving. Fascists manipulate and deceive people into
> > > believing that their way is the *best* way and, therefore, the *only*
> > > way.
> >
> > And Communists don't?
>
> I don't know why I'm wasting my time even responding to you. You
> appear to be a total idiot!
>
> Did I not say that the typical fascist tends to be either socialist or
> communist?
>
> Josef Stalin was a fascist dictator. He was also a communist!
> Adolf Hitler was a fascist dictator. He was also a socialist!
>
> Wow!
>
> I really cannot believe that I'm wasting my time responding to you!
> > >
> > > Fascists never offer or allow alternatives.
> >
> > And Communists do?
> >
> > > Do these fascist hallmarks suggest a conservative nature? I don't
> > > believe so!
> >
> > They are the ultimate right-wingers. You seem to miss the point that
> > Fascism, like Communism, consists of more than just a set of ideological
> > dogmas. There are other things involved too such as economic and
> > militaristic considerations.
>
> I'm struggling to find an example of one fascist dictator that was not
> either a socialist or a communist.
>
> I can't think of any!
>
>
I can.
Franco, Pinochet, Salazar
Plus numerous the statist dictators of South America.
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