Re: Vicodin withdrawal info?
From: John S. Dyson (toor_at_iquest.net)
Date: 03/29/05
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:41:25 +0000 (UTC)
In article <dQ22e.11014$S46.10716@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Patrick" <jimmyk@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> Thanks for your post John, you make some great points. I would like
> to elaborate further, without trying to beat a dead horse.
>
> I may be naive, but I do think that Hydrocodone has less abuse potential.
> I think this only from my own experience in that I have been on both
> Norco 10/325 and Percocet 5/325 and found that the hydrocodone
> bitartrate did not make me feel "euphorogenic" and "loopy" but it does
> dull the pain and helps me to be functional enough to work full time.
>
That obviously shows that Hydrocodone is safer for you (and you are probably
right that it might have a little less abuse potential.) It appears
that the 'heavy abuse' comes from Oxycodone/Heroin/etc -- so maybe
your observations have wider applicability.
>
> I am an engineer and drive about 400 miles a week between sites and
> the Norco helps me to remain pain free enough to work without problems.
>
I understand about the possibility that meds can affect work, both
positive and negative. My own previous medication wasn't pain killing,
but the meds did have positive effect. Luckly, I don't really NEED the
drugs, and I found the problems with missing the dose and withdrawal
issues made me very untrusting about being dependent on anything -- even
if properly prescribed. The major difference for me is that I have
a little less ability to focus and have an incredibly disfunctional
short term memory.
>
> I have been on Vioxx and Celebrex which worked GREAT! But with my
> family history of cardiac problems and my own high cholesterol with a
> horrible LDL to HDL ratio ( am on 40 mg lipitor HS), my doctor does
> not want me on a Cox II inhibitor. So I make it on mobic (not near the
> relief as celebrex) and Norco 2-3 times per day regularly.
>
I guess you are being safe rather than sorry. It is so very sad that
the CoxII inhibitors have so much risk. I cannot take any of the normal
NSAIDS, because I start nosebleeding and have bleeding problems almost
every place else. (I am good for 1-2 doses of Ibu/Keto/Aspirin/Naproxin
before bleeding becomes an issue.)
Once, when I had taken Vioxx, when hanging around family members, they
though that I was 'high'. OF course, I was feeling really good
because of the pain/stiffness relief.
>
> You are perfectly right in that the DEA and the government is not why
> the Doctors have all the pressure on them, but those that abuse the
> substances and divert, fraudulently alter scripts and try to fake symptoms
> to get medications.
>
Those things do wire themselves into a person's brain... I do fault the
person who diverts the drug -- the 'pusher' more than the addict. Some
of the 'pushers' are those who get the meds for semi-legal reasons, but
don't take the meds themselves and sell them. The few times that I have
had to take the stronger narcotic pain killers, I can understand that
they feel good. I have read that the withdrawal isn't quite the same
mechanism as the 'feel good' phase, and it can creep up on the user
without being easily detectable. My own CII scrip (Ritalin) really
didn't cause me any euphoria, and sometimes had an odd effect of making
me sleepy. Frankly, I don't think that I liked the feeling of Ritalin.
>
> I hope they come up with a system with naltrexone or naloxone beads
> in the opiate pills so that Doctors and the DEA feel more comfortable
> with doctors prescribing them without addicts shooting them up or
> chewing them up or crushing them and snorting them. I have heard
> horror stories and worked for several years part time as a substance
> abuse counselor.
>
Agreed -- it is sad when someone is in pain and the only doctors
that they can find are fearful of prescribing the needed meds. If
I was a doctor, I'd be a little skeptical also. Naturally, I'd feel
kind of bad if I got someone hooked.
>
> Good post with good issues, thanks for your post John.
>
Well, thank you very much. I find chemistry and pharmacology to be
interesting, but I am too old to start anew in such wide fields.
John
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