Re: XM-8 Rifle

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Date: 06/01/04 

Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:11:23 GMT

"Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid.retro.com> wrote in
message
news:40b8f224_3@news.bluewin.ch
> "tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Ea5uc.620719$Ig.501240@pd7tw2no...
>>
>> "Ben Dejo" <goodbyesprint@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2815ddc2.0405281618.78f678d3@posting.google.com...
>>>
>>> Ask the Knucledraggers in the field.
>>>
>>>
http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/pdf/073002armynat
ick.pdf
>>>
>>> The M-4 is not as effective as a M-16.
>>
>> I don't doubt it doesn't have the effective range of the
M16, but I
>> do take some of the field reports about "lethality" with
a grain of
>> salt. We're talking about anecdote, as I doubt anyone
went out and
>> snagged a bunch of dead baddies to autopsy. I've read a
few
>> excerpts of field reports from Iraq and Afghanistan in a
couple of
>> the American gun magazines and several of them were along
the lines
>> of "I shot the guy, he kept moving, so I shot him again."
The
>> soldier of course has no way of knowing whether it was
necessary to
>> do so or not ie that guy who took the second round would
have walked
>> 3 more paces and dropped dead if he'd only been shot
once. Bullets
>> aren't death rays guarenteed to instantly drop whatever
it is in its
>> tracks.
>
> I noticed the same effect in the after-combat reports in
Black Hawk
> Down (book not movie).
>
> It was all "he came at me, I shot him and he didn't go
down so I kept
> shooting" stuff.
>
> No-one ever said, "he came at me and I shot at him and
missed so I
> had to shoot again".
>
> M-16 and M-4 bearers must shoot so well that missing isn't
an issue.

The particular "M-16 and M-4 bearers" (actually bearer in
the singular IIRC) that made that complaint as written in
Mark Bowden's book Blackhawk_Down do indeed shoot so wll
that missing isn't an issue. You'll find that the specific
individual(s) who made the statement about repeatedly
shooting "skinnies" with his rifle was a member of SFOD-D
and not just anyone off the street.

The Rangers aren't slouches in the marksmanship department
either.

Snark

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