Re: XM-8 Rifle

From: Ben Dejo (goodbyesprint_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 06/02/04 

Date: 2 Jun 2004 13:52:40 -0700

Bradford Holden <holden@oddjob.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:<ilhdtz2j96.fsf@oddjob.uchicago.edu>...
> goodbyesprint@hotmail.com (Ben Dejo) writes:
>
> >
> > Ask the Knucledraggers in the field.
> >
> > http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/pdf/073002armynatick.pdf
> >
> > The M-4 is not as effective as a M-16.
>
> That is an interesting document. The soldiers had no issues
> with the lethality of the SAW. So, it is not the round specifically.
> Yet, the soldiers specifically wanted a bigger round for their rifle.
>

So the disadvantage of the .223 Remington is not with the round but
with the weapon? Actually the problem with the .223 Remington is with
velocity, the .223 requires a minimum 2400 fps (730mps) and about 2600
fps (800 mps) to be really effective. The best the M-4 gets is 2900
fps at the muzzle ( and it goes downhill from there, losing about 200
fps over 100 yds, that's why it sucks), and even that depends on the
target being hit (if he has enough sense to just go up and die). The
Xm-8 will use a shorter barrel to develop less velocity, therefore be
completely ineffective unless you spray the target with multiple
rounds ( in which case get a shotgun)

http://www.btammolabs.com/fackler/wounding_patterns_military_rifles.pdf

> The fraction of reported maintanence issues with the M-4 and the 40mm grenade
> launcher seems high.

I'm not suprised, though I can't say why the m-4 fails so much.
>
> > I'd rather be shot by an M-4 than a 12 Gauge "street howitzer".
>
> Well, I rather not be shot at all....

That's assuming you have a choice, remember you may not be really
involved in the decision whether you get shot or not.

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