Re: "Interesting" info about Depleted Uranium penetrators/HEAT rounds

From: tw (no_at_no.com)
Date: 12/13/04 

To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:15:28 +0100

> tw wrote:
> > "Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote
> in message
> > news:1102632491.425393.276310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > tw wrote:
> > > > "Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > news:1102531471.050461.75160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > tw wrote:
> > > > > > "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
> <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > > > > >That what I always said. It melts the metal,so it is a new
> > > > > > >type, and better advanced HEAT ROUND.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fucking fool, MacDonut.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why because that what it does and was referred too in the new
> > > > > tech of Iraqi W I?
> > > >
> > > > No, because you claimed HEAT rounds and DU penetrators are the
> > > > same
> > > thing,
> > >
> > >
> > > They were in the IWI you fucking moronic busll*** ;)
> >
> > NO, Mikey, no they weren't
> >
> > Compare a DU penetrator round
> > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m829a1.htm
> >
> > with a HEAT round
> > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m830a1.htm

Have you checked those links Mikey? Now do you realise you were incorrect to
say a "DU is referred to as a heat round"?

I see you confused HEAT (high explosive anti tank) and heat as in thermal
energy. However, a "heat round" means one thing and one thing only WRT
anti-tank weaponry.

> > I can read, but unlike you I can understand as well. Shall we
> > crosspost to sci.physics and see what their take on this is?
>
> Sure, go ahead terrorist tard ;)

OK, done. To the denizens of sci.physics. Does an anti tank shell which
consistes of a tungsten penetrator use kinetic energy (i.e. a product of its
weight and speed) to penetrate armour, or is the chemical definition of
"kinetic" applicable here instead? Myself, I am 100% sure it is the primary
definition of kinetics, i.e. it is the combination of the projectiles speed
and weight (but mostly speed) that applies here, rather than "The branch of
chemistry that is concerned with the rates of change in the concentration of
reactants in a chemical reaction"

Whilst no one is disputing considerably thermal energy is produced in such
an event, the solid DU round punches through the armour due to its kinetic
energy, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)" due to some chemical
reaction. true or false?

<snip>

> > > And Mr. libeling genius what happens to the metal when this round
> > > hit that outer layer?
> >
> > It gets pierced by the round, obviously.
> >
> > > Go on tell us - we are all waiting - tell of the
> > > chemical reactions to the metal itself as I duly stated
> >
> > Chemical reaction? It appears you don't understand what a chemical
> > reaction is. What chenical reaction woudl you expect from a
> big, sharp
> > lump of uranium hitting steel?
> >
> > > ;) This should
> > > be a blast of fun ;)
> >
> > It certainly should.. what reaction are you on about?
>
> That heat is not produced when that DU round penetrates the
> armor of the vehicle that you claim it does not.

1) What chemical reaction is that?

2)I certainly never claimed that heat woudl not be produced! Please cite
where I did. I merely claimed a solid DU round uses kinetic energy to
defeeat armour, it does not "melt through the mettle (sic)". I merely
claimed a DU round was seperate and distinct from a HEAT (high explosive
anti tank) round, not least because it contains no explosive. Apologies if I
confused you by not always using upper case for "HEAT", but "heat round
"means only one thing in terms of tank ammunition. Seeing as you were
attempting to lecture me on what a DU penetrator was, I assumed you woudl
know these basic terms.

>You think that is vibration only and no heat is generated. ;)

What?

> > > Classic idiocy by you tard boy ;)
> >
> > Mm hmm.. shall we take this to a science group?
>
> HOW MANY TIMES have I said YES, go ahead and it has been over
> a year terrorist supporting asslicking fucker ;) Why have you
> waited so long - scared that they tell you that head

Head?

>is generated on impact with a DU round, contrarily to your claims? ;)

I have never denied that heat woudl be produced by the imapct, merely that
it is not heat which defeats the armour when it is hit by a solid DU
penetrator, any more than it is heat which causes a dart to stick in a
dartboard...

> Stop threatening and do it - I want to continue to laugh out
> loud at your ignorance ;)

Well, he who laughs last and all that...

> > > Yes, this ' STATEMENT ' does make you and extreme moron
> now - I can
> > > laugh my way home now after that faux pas by you.
> >
> > Uh hu...*s****
>
> Why do you '***' in your laugh? I know s*** is an
> established usage for a word but it is not to nice for blacks
> when their are plenty of other words to use ;)

Is this supposed to be humour?

> > > I'm still laughing at ya about your saying that (DU round) it has
> > > nothing to do with heat ;)
> >
> > Nothing to do with HEAT.
>
> BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA.
> BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA.
> BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA.

Please learn the distinction between the acronym HEAT and heat.

> great this thread is proof to your imbecilic non-intelligence
> - better go ask your kindergarten teach. ;) Stop threatening
> and take it to a science forum ;)

Already done. Crossposted to a militarygroup too, for good measure (though
it is a moderated one)

> > You see, you're basically unfamiliarty with the
> > terminology involved shows how little you know of the subject.
>
> Shut up and take it to a forum so they can laugh at you and I
> can continue to laugh at you ;)

Already done. For anyone in the military group who is interested, Mikey has
been claiming for a year or so now that a DU penetrator (e.g. APFSDS) is a
"sort of HEAT round" which "melts through the mettle (sic)" of whatever
metallic object it is fired at. My osition is that e.g. APFSDS rounds uses
kinetic energy to penetrate and are very different from HEAT. I would accept
"melts through the mettle (sic)" as a slightly innacurate term for what a
shaped charge does, but that's beside the point.

> > I see, you simply have terrible comprehension problems.
> Kinetic energy
> > rounds such as DU penetrators have nothing to do with HEAT
>
>
> Go ahead and prove it asswipe.

I have. I even provided you with links to descriptions of tungsten/DU
penetrator rounds and HEAT rounds. You have apparently chosen to ignore
them.

> IF there is no heat generated

HEAT means High Explosive, Anti-Tank. It referes to a type of ammunition .
how many more times?

> from the temp of the armor or right before impact compared to
> during impact then prove it ;)

What the..? Whenever did I say this was the case? YOu are confusing the
acronym HEAT with heat again. Even so, heat (as in thermal energy) is NOT
what defeats the armour when it is hit by a solid DU (or tungsten)
penetrator, kinetic energy does. I assmue some of the is kinetic energy is
converted to thermal energy on impact, I never said it wasn't.

> > > Not imaginary but real you flaming terrorist supporting
> fucktard ;)
> >
> > Proof?
>
> Any time you want *** ;)
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus
> /browse_frm/thread/198431b6006aff9d/2b980a8927c30941?q=TW+Tiny
> +Wiener&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostradamus%2Fsearch%3
> Fgroup%3Dalt.prophecies.nostradamus%26q%3DTW+Tiny+Wiener%26qt_
> g%3D1%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#2b980a8927c30941

Please indicate how that is supposed to be proof of me "supporting
terrorism"?!

> > Whatever, mikey. You're not exactly covering yourself in
> intellectual
> > glory so far..
>
> About anti-tank weaponry do I really care?

Apparently so...