Re: Tip reactions... does Smalley have a point?

From: John Larkin (jjlarkin_at_highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com)
Date: 10/29/04

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    Date: 29 Oct 2004 02:12:38 GMT
    
    

    On 28 Oct 2004 18:50:25 GMT, lord_psi@hotmail.com (Jeremy) wrote:

    >
    >Last night, I was contemplating Smalley's fat-fingers/enzyme
    >arguments, trying to follow his reasoning from the beginning. There
    >is no question in my mind that diamond mechanosynthesis will work as
    >advertized, but right now I'm looking at the fine motion controller.
    >It's not made of diamond. There are a lot of other elements involved.
    > In the process of constructing the fine motion controller, there are
    >going to be times when a site is dehydrogenated immediately adjacent
    >to a surface bound oxygen atom, or some other reactive moiety. Are
    >the energetics such that such an oxygen atom won't move to the new
    >site before the tip can bring in the new moiety that is supposed to go
    >there? If that oxygen atom DOES move, and there are many similar
    >examples from STM literature, then how do you prevent it from moving?
    >Maybe with something like Smalley Fingers? Okay, an "Enzyme-like
    >tool-tip" could work in place of Smalley fingers, but that's not going
    >to be a simple piece of work. With sufficient mechanical energy, we
    >shouldn't necessarily have to mimic enzymes ability to catalyze the
    >reaction by binding to the transition state, but we still need
    >stabilizing moieties surround the dedicated reaction tip without
    >affecting the reaction. This is not a simple tip.
    >
    >This may already have been addressed, and if so, can I get some
    >references? If not... are we arguing past Smalley and his ilk? Yes,
    >diamond should work. But can we make an assembler out of only
    >diamond? I would encourage the modelers out there to construct the
    >fine motion controller step-by-step, or at least model the critical
    >geometries, including flat surfaces, corners, and edges. Figure out
    >the conditions necessary to keep less stable atoms where they belong
    >when adjacent to active reaction sites. If we don't have to apply
    >significant controls to the atoms surrounding the reaction sites, then
    >we have a viable technology. If the necessary geometries are
    >impossible... then Smalley may have a point.
    >
    >-Jeremy

    I work with tomographic 3D atom probes, which *disassemble* things one
    atom at a time. The samples have to be cooled to numbers like 20-40K,
    because every time you remove one atom, the neighbors all want to move
    around, and that messes up the structure you're trying to analyze. So
    the assembly problem is similar: when the structure is partially
    built, the damned critters don't want to stay where you finally want
    them to be. This isn't like assembling tinker-toys.

    John


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