Re: "We at Fermilab deal everyday with particles moving faster than the speed of light!"

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:10:14 GMT, "Androcles"
<Engineer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Hayek" <hayektt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: Androcles wrote:
: > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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: > news:2numk4-e2d.ln1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > : In sci.physics.relativity, HW@....(Henri Wilson)
: > : <HW@>
: > : wrote
: > : on Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:41:32 GMT
: > : <kcqg73h28pf7223hdhahu5ccev0q6kq3lo@xxxxxxx>:
: > : > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:53:18 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@xxxxxxxxx>
: > wrote:
: > : >
: > : >>Henri Wilson wrote:
: > : >>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine
: > : >>> <ewill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: > : >>>
: > : >>>> In sci.physics.relativity, Sam Wormley
: > : >>>> <swormley1@xxxxxxxxx>
: > : >>>> wrote
: > : >>>> on Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:50:40 GMT
: > : >>>
: > : >>>>>>> Champeny et al, Phys. Lett. 7 (1963), p241.
: > : >>>>>>>
: > : >>>>>>> Champeney, Isaak and Khan, Proc. Physical Soc. 85, p583
(1965).
: > : >>>>>>>
: > : >>>>>>> Isaak et al, Phys. Bull. 21 (1970), p255.
: > : >>>>>>> Uses a rotating Moessbauer absorber and fixed detector to
: > place an
: > : >>>>>>> upper limit on any one-way anisotropy of 3 m/s. [one part
in
: > 10^8]
: > : >>>>>> All performed BY relativists FOR relativists....
: > : >>>>>> None is believable...
: > : >>>>>>
: > : >>>>> Ah ha, Henri, choosing what you will believe in ignorance of
: > evidence!
: > : >>>>>
: > : >>>> I'm frankly not sure what Henri's problem is here, but
: > : >>>> presumably the experiments are well-enough specified so
: > : >>>> that anyone can perform them, and confirm or refute the
: > : >>>> evidence filed in peer-reviewed journals.
: > : >>>>
: > : >>>> So long as the data is accurately tallied, it makes little
: > : >>>> difference whether the experiment is done by a relativist,
: > : >>>> a skeptic, a madman, or a little green guy with a special
: > : >>>> suit who can float in the air. ;-)
: > : >>>>
: > : >>>
: > : >>> Ghost, relativists are not the only group that recognizes only
that
: > which
: > : >>> supports its belief system and rejects that which refutes it.
: > : >>> There are about 4000 fanatical religious sects around the world
that
: > do exactly
: > : >>> the same..
: > : >>>
: > : >>>
: > : >>> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
: > : >>>
: > : >>> Einstein's Relativity - the greatest HOAX since jesus christ's
virgin
: > mother.
: > : >>
: > : >> Trouble is that Henri cannot cite even one example of an
observation
: > that
: > : >> contradicts a prediction of relativity.
: > : >
: > : > No 'prediction' of relativity has been directly tested.
: > : >
: > :
: > : OK, dumb question. How would you test a prediction of relativity?
: >
: > Ok, Easy answer.
: > Ask Cassini the time.
: >
: >
: > : Include experimental method and expected results.
: >
: > Send signal to Cassini, request time stamp of return signal.
: > Expected result according to relativity,
: > time stamp = (time received - time of request)/2 + time of request.
: >
: > Test complete, relativity fails. Done.
:
: Was this experiment actually done?

Several times a day, every day, if you call a phone conversation or boiling
an egg an "experiment".

NASA - JPL is in constant communication with Cassini and has been
for years.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm
Cassini is using UTC, Einstein's crap is simply ignored as nonsense.
Note, however, that Earth both approaches and recedes from Saturn
at 0.0001c once a year and any so-called "relativistic effect" would
soon be noticed.
Engineers ignore relativists and aetherialists and get on with the job,
then when they retire they like to laugh at the idiots.


When reading about GPS and how it is accomplished to the degree of
accuracy that it attains I read that relativity is taken into account.
This is the effect: Special relativity predicts that because of the
speed of the satellite the onboard clocks will slow down by about 7200
nanoseconds per day. General relativity predicts that clocks on earth
will, because of being closer to the earth, run slower than the
satellite clocks by about 45000 ns per day. This equals to 38000 ns
per day difference per day and the clocks on the satellites are set to
run at this slower rate so that they match the ones on earth. See
these links:
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
.

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