Re: Can Lorentz E Theory replace S. Relativity?? (is George Sagnac correct?)

From: Q-on (physicsofchi_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/18/05


Date: 17 Feb 2005 18:26:27 -0800


Tom Roberts wrote:
> Q-on wrote:
> > Anyone familiar with the work of George Sagnac in 1913 that put
> > in doubt the theory of Special Relativity of Einstein?
>
> I am familiar with Sagnac's work you reference. It does not "put in
> doubt" SR at all -- SR predicts the effect observed, to within the
> expeirmental errors.
>
>
> Re: your subject line -- Lorentz's theory is experimentally
> indistinguishable from SR. But in Lorentz's theory the observed
> equivalence of local inertial frames occurs via an extraordinary
> cancellation, whereas in SR it is a natural symmetry of spacetime. In

> the early 1900s one might have argued the merits of the two theories,

> but today the power of such symmetry principles has proven to be so
> powerful and essential to progress in theoretical physics, that
> Lorentz's theory has achieved a well-deserved oblivion. Lorentz
himself
> acknowledged the superiority of Einstein's approach.
>
>
> Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com

Aetherism is the opposite of Relativity because the former has
a fixed spacetime while the latter uses relative frames of
reference. Now is it possible for the two to exist together?
I know it sounds absurd, but have you encountered a model or
theory where they are combined? For example. Ethers can exist
in space while relativity rules space/time. Or maybe the word
"Aether","Ether" is only used when referring to a fixed frame
or reference? But what if the Aether is stuck gravitationally
to earth while it is moving producing null result in the MMX?
Can you call it Aether? Or is a new word required to be
invented to avoid all the confusion?? Anyone care to suggest
a new word?

Q-on



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