Re: Understanding the HUP

"Y.Porat" <maporat@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> i said
> you can bypass the HUP by *other experimental data
>
> and i bring the Deuteron case:
>
> if you are an HUP parrot you will say:
> the size of the deuteron is so small that you can never tell
> about its inner structure right??
> but if you are not a parrot and start thinking
> and use other indirect experimental data , you can know that
> in the die tron you have the proton and neutron side by side
>
> if you are a parrot you will say
> may be it is one inside the other ?? why not ??
> but then comes the 'Grey stuff' in your had and filters nonsense
> possibilities
> and you get the Right answer
> i call it ;
> 'to see with the power of thinking!! (and additional knowledge )
> if you dont have it
> you remain a parrot forever.
>
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> ------------------------------


Seeing as how you're not trying to determine the relative positions and
momentum of the nucleons in a deuteron atom, I don't see any problems. Then
again, I also don't see how this is a violation of the HUP. Any one property
(say position) can be measured with arbitrary accuracy without incurring any
Heisenberg penalties.

However...

The shape of a deuteron atom is not so easily determined as you would seem
to want to believe, and the HUP has little or nothing to do with it. The
real problem is in determining the shapes of the neutron and proton
comprising the deuteron nucleus. Experiments have shown that protons aren't
always spherical. If the quark conjecture is correct, then the same would be
true of neutrons. This would mean you've got 6 particles to consider instead
of 2 in order to determine the shape of the deuteron atom.

R.


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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Understanding the HUP
    ... > momentum of the nucleons in a deuteron atom, ... there is an expert for the HUP called Feuerbacher ... RELATIVE LOCATION of the sub particles ... > real problem is in determining the shapes of the neutron and proton ...
    (sci.physics.particle)
  • Re: Understanding the HUP
    ... you can bypass the HUP by *other experimental data ... if you are an HUP parrot you will say: ... the size of the deuteron is so small that you can never tell ... but if you are not a parrot and start thinking ...
    (sci.physics.particle)