Re: I am appaled

From: Androcles (androc1es_at_nospamblueyonder.co.uk)
Date: 06/05/04 

Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:17:39 GMT

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| > > | > [snip]
| > > | > | http://tinyurl.com/3b7j5
| > > | > " The light thus appears to be redshifted relative to the
frequency
| of
| > > the
| > > | > clock. "
| > > | >
| > > | > Ok now... "the light"... yes, we are talking about the right
| > subject...
| > > | > "...appears to be..." Huh? Either it is or it isn't.
| > > | > "...redshifted..."
| > > | > Hands up, class, who knows what redshift means?
| > > | > Yes Sirvent, that's right. Not even you are that unscientific that
| you
| > > | don't
| > > | > realize redshift applies to wavelength.
| > > | > Yes, sal. quite right. Redshift written as delta-lambda can only
| mean
| > > | > (c= lambda*frequency), so either
| > > | > a) frequency changed
| > > | > or
| > > | > b) c changed.
| > > | > We all know c cannot change, don't we, class? Einstein said so,
and
| > he's
| > > | > god.
| > > | >
| > > | > "...relative to..." Ah. A comparison to something.
| > > | > "...the frequency of..." oh... we are comparing wavelength to
| > frequency.
| > > | How
| > > | > many days are there in a kilometre, class? Hands up, now. This is
| real
| > > | > physics.
| > > | > "the clock" . What is the frequency of a clock, class? Yes, sal,
you
| > put
| > > | you
| > > | > hand up?
| > > | > f= 1/t? Yes, quite right. Which clock, sal? The one flying away at
a
| > c,
| > > or
| > > | > the one beside you?
| > > | > Put you hand down, Sirvent. This is YOUR quotation we are
| discussing.
| > > | >
| > > | > I too am "appaled". I'm even appalled.
| > > |
| > > | You show how miserably you are by showing an orthografical fault in
my
| > > | non-native English.
| > > | And your comments about redshift being applied to wavelength are
just
| > > | stupid. To your information, the Pound/Rebka/Snyder set of
experiments
| > > | detected a shift on the FREQUENCY of the light, and if you would
have
| > read
| > > | the paper I cited you would know what happens to the wavelength.
| > > |
| > > | And now, you can keep making a fool of yourself. Even if I don't
like
| > Dirk
| > > | at all, you are the winner in number of entries into his fumbles
list,
| > and
| > > I
| > > | must stress that you deserve that and more, you dishonest and
| miserably
| > > | creature.
| > > |
| > > | Cesar
| > > |
| > > | > Androcles.
| > > | >
| > > | >
| > > If I'm at the top of Dinky's list, it's only because he doesn't
| understand
| > > physics or mathematics and never records the fumbles any relativist
| makes,
| > > such as
| > > dtau/dt = 0 <1 - Paul B. Andersen.
| > > The voltage across an LC series circuit is zero - Paul B. Andersen.
| > > -4.0 = 0.866 * 4.619. - Paul B. Andersen.
| > > and of course let us not forget Dinky will not record your blunder
| above,
| > > "And your comments about redshift being applied to wavelength are just
| > > stupid." since it is ONLY to wavelength the term "red" can apply.
| >
| > Yes, yes, only to wavelength, this is why when we are immersed into the
| > water, things change color. Ha!!!!...
| > (the above is an apparent paradox that I challenge you to resolve.
| > Obviously, ligth changes color while crossing medium with different
| > refraction indexes).
| > We will see if you are capable of giving an answer to this little riddle
| > which you have helped to originate.
|
| I mean very superficial and cristal-clear water and object immersed too,
of
| course.

You'll find it is dark when you go searching for Titanic. Take a light with
you.
Human colour perception is too vague a reference, of course.

| > And "redshift" is just an expression for change of wavelength or
frequency
| > of EM waves, not necessarily visible light, and in a perfect vacuum you
| can
| > talk indistintly of frequency or wavelength. In fact, the change is in
| > frequency, and latter you can try to analyze what happens with
wavelength.
| >
| > Cesar
| >
| > > Androcles.
Because you assume c is constant in all frames of reference, it necessarily
follows that c = lambda.nu. To avoid further use of greek, I'm going to use
c = wf instead.
In the Doppler equation for sound, we have
f' = f (c+v)/(c+u),
where u is the velocity of the source and v is the velocity of the observer,
relative to the medium, usually air.
Whether you like it or not, Einstein's relativity assumes a medium, aether,
for light, even though it claims otherwise.
This is why the LET proponents claim they are right.
Any person capable of reason would conclude that doppler shift as a result
of velocity is a change in the velocity of the light itself. The emitted
frequency doesn't change.
Androcles

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