Re: I am appaled
From: Androcles (androc1es_at_nospamblueyonder.co.uk)
Date: 06/09/04
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:32:23 GMT
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| > <8umucsxySPA@M_MAPSterraReMoVeThIs.es>
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| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | "Androcles" <androc1es@nospamblueyonder.co.uk>
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| > | > | > | > | > | > | > [snip]
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Any person capable of reason would conclude
| that
| > | > | doppler
| > | > | > | > shift
| > | > | > | > | > as
| > | > | > | > | > | a
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > result
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > of velocity is a change in the velocity of
the
| > | light
| > | > | > | itself.
| > | > | > | > | The
| > | > | > | > | > | > | emitted
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > frequency doesn't change.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | The emitted frequency does not change. It is
| > | perceived
| > | > | or
| > | > | > | > | measured
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | differently, which is what you will never
| > | understand.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Cesar
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > Androcles
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > The emitted frequency does not change. It is
| > perceived
| > | > or
| > | > | > | > measured
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > differently, which is what you will never
| > understand.
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > Androcles
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | But not because of a change in the velocity of the
| > light
| > | > | > itself,
| > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | > stupid.
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Cesar
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > I don't believe in magic, you moron, even if you do.
| > | > | > | > | > | > Androcles
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | Precisely because there is no magic involved, you
cannot
| > | have
| > | > | the
| > | > | > | > | > frequency
| > | > | > | > | > | of light to change in a gravitational field, in a
| perfect
| > | > | vacuum.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Good. I'm glad we agree.
| > | > | > | > | > Precisely because there is no magic involved, you cannot
| > have
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > | frequency
| > | > | > | > | > of light to change in a gravitational field, in a
perfect
| > | > vacuum.
| > | > | > | > | > Memorable quote:
| > | > | > | > | > Cesar Sirvent said: "you cannot have the frequency of
| light
| > to
| > | > | > change
| > | > | > | in
| > | > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | > gravitational field, in a perfect vacuum."
| > | > | > | > | > Ergo, since c = lambda.nu, and nu is constant, any
| redshift
| > | can
| > | > | only
| > | > | > | > | > attributed to a change in the value of c.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Now all that remains to be seen is if you can be
| consistent,
| > | you
| > | > | > | stupid.
| > | > | > | > | > Androcles
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | First, you are assuming that c=lambda*nu holds
| > relativistically,
| > | > | with
| > | > | > | the
| > | > | > | > | definition (what definitions by the way?) for c, lambda
and
| > nu.
| > | > | > | > Exactly. What definitions?
| > | > | > | > I don't assume it. I accept it as axiomatic.
| > | > | > | > If you wish to challenge it, provide your axioms.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | That is not a trivial issue, I admit, and a PhD expert in
| > black
| > | > | holes
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > | talking to also admitted. Subsequently, this is why I
| adopted
| > | the
| > | > | > | > following
| > | > | > | > | definition for frequency of light, rather than use any
| > | equalities
| > | > | > which
| > | > | > | > may
| > | > | > | > | be misleading if (and only if) the terms are not properly
| > | defined:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | the frequency of an EM wave for a given observer is the
| > inverse
| > | of
| > | > | the
| > | > | > | > | coordinate time among two consecutive zeroes (or identical
| > | values)
| > | > | of
| > | > | > | the
| > | > | > | > | phase at a given FIXED (for the observer) spatial point.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | That is general, and allow the abstract consideration of
| > | "remote"
| > | > | > | > | frequencies, as opposed to "local" frequencies (those
which
| > are
| > | > | > measured
| > | > | > | > are
| > | > | > | > | always "local" frequencies, i.e., the fixed point above
| > | coincides
| > | > | with
| > | > | > | the
| > | > | > | > | place where the detector is located).
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Cesar
| > | > | > | > Incomplete. You've given no definition of wavelength. One
| fixed
| > | > point
| > | > | > | isn't
| > | > | > | > a length, you stupid. No only that, but you used the word
| > "time".
| > | > | Define
| > | > | > | it,
| > | > | > | > you stupid.
| > | > | > | > Androcles
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | It is not incomplete. It is the result of 2 hours of the most
| > | intense
| > | > | > mental
| > | > | > | struggling I ever had.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Must try harder. B-"
| > | > | > Androcles
| > | > |
| > | > | Was that your qualification at Maths 101, just a little before you
| > | dropped
| > | > | university?
| > | > |
| > | > | Cesar
| > | > I didn't take M101.
| > | > I took M100, then M201 (Linear Algebra), M202 (Topics in Pure
| > Mathematics)
| > | > SM351 (Quantum Mechanics).
| > |
| > | I see. Just 4 subjects to get your diploma. It is a pity that you
didn't
| > | pass any exam.
| >
| > Hey, stupid. Stop being so idiotic. I took other courses as well.
| >
| > |
| > | > Try a little logic.
| > | > IF x' = (x-vt) THEN x' = (x-vt) * gamma.
| > | > What is the value of gamma?
| > | > Answer:
| > | > a) 1
| > | > b) 1
| > | > c) 1
| > | > d) all of the above.
| > | > What is the value of v?
| > | > a) 0
| > | > b) 0
| > | > c) 0
| > | > d) all of the above.
| > | >
| > | > Time allowed for this test: Two hours of intense mental struggling.
| > | > Androcles
| > |
| > | Solved in 15 minutes: your x'=x-vt and x'=(x-vt)*gamma do not refer to
| the
| > | same physical situation, if you are having into mind the 1905
Einstein's
| > | paper (you are obsessed with it). You haven't understood a single
| > paragraph
| > | of it, have you?
| > Idiot.
| > |
| > | I recommend that you ignore the relativity paper (it is beyond your
| mental
| > | capacity) and concentrate in some "Relativity for dummies" book. After
| > | reading the book N times (with N approaching infinite), then you may
| > | possible start go grasp some of the concepts of SR.
| > |
| > | Finally, you could try something more advanced, but this could be
| > postponed
| > | for a time in which brain transplants are achieved by medical
community.
| > |
| > | Cesar
| > Moron, simple math is beyond your capability, so you are compelled to
| resort
| > to personal attacks to boost your own idiotic ego.
| > Androcles
|
| Personal attacks? I thought that they were simple facts.
| You demonstrate every time your fingers slip through your keyboard to
| regurgitate a continuous nonsense.
|
| Cesar
Once again you are unable to respond in a sensible manner to anything I
throw at you. You can only ignore it or snip it. You are incompetent and
stupid. Obviously.
Androcles
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