Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter.

From: George Hammond (research137_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 06/12/04 

Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:21:42 GMT

"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> > > "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:oaiyc.4808$zz.4797@attbi_s04...
> > > >
> > > > "Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, George Hammond wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> QED: "Observables" do not exist if
> > > > > >>> "observers" do not exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Bull ***!
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Hammond]
> > > > > > sorry, the statement is OBVIOUSLY CORRECT.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just because you can imagine nothing existing when you imagine the
> > case
> > > > > when nobody exists, doesn't mean your thought experiment is
> > successful.
> > > >
> > > > [Hammond]
> > > > Gwar.... you've been smoking too much dope....
> > > >
> > > > Obviously if no one exists- no one can imagine anything.
> > > > What's wrong with you?
> > >
> > > Matter does not need my "imagination" to exist!
> > >
> > > For someone who claims to have an advanced education - your statements
> > > indicate your probably failed sandbox.
> >
> > [Hammond]
> > You're stupid... which proves eductation means nothing.
>
> Bwahahaaaa.............from a deranged maniac who claims that it is HIS
> education - and the lack of education in others - makes him TOTALLY right,
> and them totally wrong!
>
>
> > Answer THIS simple question:
> >
> > If all people died tomorrow morning, HOW
> > would you prove that the Eiffel Tower still existed
> > tomorrow night... or the entire Universe for that
> > matter?
> > Please just answer the question, moron.
>
> You're right ...... that is a stupid question.
> Now . answer a question based in reality:
> If mankind only evolved "X" number of years ago .. why do we have ACTUAL
> EVIDENCE that the universe, and matter within the universe, existed
BILLIONS
> of years before that?

[Hammond]
I've already said it 1,000 times...:

1. the "Creation of human reality" occured 40,000 years ago.

2. That Creation "created a reality" that contains billion
      year old fossils.

3. That does not mean the fossils are "older than reality".
      because before human reality was created there was
      no such thing as "existence" or "reality".

4. Finally, the PRACTICAL SIGNIFICANCE of this
      which is the "supernatural variability of reality" which
      is the basis of Religion, and is REAL, overpowers
      all your "philosophical arguments" to the contrary.

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