Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter.

From: ZenIsWhen (ZenIsWhen_at_anywhere.com)
Date: 06/13/04 

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:41:12 -0400

"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> > "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ms_yc.32800$0y.4808@attbi_s03...
> > >
> > > "Alan" <gper@mindless.com> wrote in message
> > > news:847702a8.0406121659.28fee046@posting.google.com...
> > > > > If all human minds died tomorrow morning,
> > > > > how would you "know, demonstrate, or prove"
> > > > > that the Universe still existed tomorrow night.
> > > > > Just answer the question please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If I sealed something in a box, I couldn't "prove" it was still
there
> > > > without opening the box. So? I have no reason to doubt that it is
> > > > still there.
> > >
> > > [Hammond]
> > > WRONG. You have reason to believe it is there
> > > because you put it there. And you "know it".
> > > However, if you (and everybody else) were
> > > DEAD..... no one would know it... therefore
> > > it would no longer exist... because it COULDN'T
> > > BE CONFIRMED either by report, testimony
> > > or experiment.
> >
>
> snip.. heckle-bot rant
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > If I were dead, obviously I couldn't prove anything. Again - so? I
> > > > have no reason to doubt that the universe would still exist, even if
> > > > ALL life were to end. The early universe apparently existed, and
> > > > certainly contained no HUMAN life, and NO life that we know of. Why
> > > > WOULD it cease to exist if all men died tomorrow?
> > >
> > > [Hammond]
> > > BECAUSE "the statment: 'the universe existed 15B years ago' "
> > > ONLY HAS AN OPERATIONAL MEANING within
> > > the context of "human reality"....
> >
> > More crap!
> > It is THE CONCLUSION FROM THE EVIDENCE that the universe is 15 billion
> > years old.
>
> [Hammond]
> Never said it wasn't.
>
> > That we are the only species to have the ability anda knowledge to
detect
> > and interpret that evidence does NOT mean that reality ONLY belongs to
us.
>
> [Hammond]
> "reality as we know it" UNIQELY BELONGS TO US.
> moron

"Reality" belongs to everyone and everything that exists in reality,
flunkie!

We know the reality of the sun . so does a frog!
Our existence did NOT create the sun!
The frog, as a species, KNEW about the sun LONG before we came around!

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>
> >
> > The universe IS 15 billion years old for a frog too . they just don't
know
> > it!
>
> [Hammond]
> Correct... they are not even CAPABLE of knowing it.
> therefore it doesn't "exist" for them.

But it DOES exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!! zit for brains!

Damn! Your brain must look like a collection of carnival "fun house"
mirrors!

>
>
> > DAMN! Are you stupid!!!
>
> [Hammond]
> You're not even bright enough to be called stupid.

You certainly haven't shown anything but deragned and insane thinnking to
counter my rebuttals!

> > If "human reality" did not
> > > exist... then the statement HAS NO MEANING.
> > > ok.... "human reality" is only 40K years old (was created
> > > for the first time 40K yrs ago)....
> >
>
> snip heckle-bot sham rage rant
>
> > "Human reality" is as old as humans are ........ or didn't you know that
> > scientists just CEREATED, ON THEIR OWN, a dividing line between then and
> > now?
>
> [Hammond]
> Duh... are you trying to say something in English?
> quit stuttering

Bwahahaaaa............ that was english - and logical.
Obviously beyond your cheese brain abilities!

(BTW . where was the stutter? ..... or are you seeing things that aren't
there again?)

> > therefore the statment
> > > "the Universe is 15B years old" HAS NO MEANING BEFORE
> > > 38,000 B.C.
> >
>
> snip... moronic heckl-bot sham rage rant
>
>
> >
> > > > You've written of absolute and perceived reality. Okay, if we're all
> > > > gone, POOF! to perceived reality, but how and why would that affect
> > > > absolute reality?
> > >
> > > [Hammond]
> > > We have no idea what "absolute reality" is.... we DEFINE
> > > "absolute reality" to be "identical" to "perceived reality".
> > > THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM as long as "perceived reality"
> > > is a "1:1 map" of "absolute reality".
> >
> > You have any evidence contradicting that reality - or, as usual, are you
> > just bellowing more sandbox insanity?
>
> [Hammond]
> the entire PROOF OF SPOG consists of an experimentally
> confirmed axiomatic physicis proof of that statement.
> YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THAT...

The entire pile of crap proves nothing - other than your deranged, and
non-scientific insanity!

>
> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT

You and your insane .... BLATANATLY unscientific BULL ***!

>
> YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKINHG ABOUT

A lot more thanh you do, dip***!

>
> AND YOU ARE A MINDLESS HECKLE-BOT

Yea ........ riught ...... and Hitler called the JEWS evil!

>
> AND A SHAM RAGE HECKLE-BOT MORON

Then why did you ignore EVERY rational, logical, responsible and scientific
rebuttal of your deragned claims BY me .... (and many others)?

>
> >
> > >HOWEVER, modern science
> > > (Hammond 2003) has discovered that the map is NOT
> > > 1:1...
> >
> > Modern science has discovered no such thing!
>
> [Hammond]
> LOL LOL LOL LOL
> The proof has been published in the peer reviewed
> literature and copies of the paper are posted on
> my website, and THAT is what this conversation happens
> to be all about, moron.

We went through this before, shitfaced liar!
You have NOTHING in scientific - per reviewed journals!
You have crap in rags that print just about anything!

But, as usual, when the facts that dispute your insane claims were
presented - you just ran away, and bellowed the same crap to someone else.

You don't even ACT like a scientist; fraud!

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