Re: Experimental disproof of the theory of Relativity

From: Tom Roberts (tjroberts_at_lucent.com)
Date: 06/21/04 

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:11:52 -0500

greywolf42 wrote:
> Tom Roberts <tjroberts@lucent.com> wrote in message
> news:SotBc.26826$eH1.12464085@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
>>OWLS can only be measured after one DEFINES what "simultaneous" means,
>
> OWLS can easily be defined without simultaneous.

Exercise for greywolf42: do so.

>>so one can synchronize the two clocks necessary for an OWLS measurement.
> One does not need synchronized clocks to measure variations in OWLS.

Sure. But now elevate your eyes to what I wrote above. I was not talking
about variations, I was talking about measuring OWLS.

>>But one can DEFINE it however one likes, and obtain different values for
>>OWLS.
> Only if one uses SR's redefinition of time and space. Which is not simply a
> definition of simultaneous.

Not true. Do the exercise above to find out why.

>>TWLS is independent
>>of human choices (except for units), OWLS depends upon an arbitrary
>>human choice for clock synchronization (in addition to the same choice
>>of units).
> Not true. SR (and you) simply wish to hide behind e-synching to obviate
> possible disproof.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with e-synching. This has to do with
using two clocks to make a measurement, which INHERENTLY requires that
those two clock must have their values related in some conventional
manner. We call that "synchronization". Nobody is under any compulsion
to use Einstein's method. But note that ANY 1-way measurements of speed
will be affected (including a 100-meter sprint).

Do the above exercise.

>>Einstein's second postulate is really two things for the price of one: a
>>definition of clock synchronization,
> The definition of clock synchronization is not contained in Einstein's
> second postulate. Einstein is explicit about it.

This is getting so repetetive -- go READ HIS PAPER!!!!!

> Einstein's e-synch is an
> explicit redefintion of *time*.

Say, rather, that it is a more precise definition of "time", so that the
old-fashoned notions of "time" that were sufficient before ~1900 could
remain valid with the improved technology and theoretical understanding
that was developing then.

>>His postulate of source motion independence could be, but
>>hasn't been refuted to date.
> It cannot be refuted if you insist upon e-synching. That's the function of
> e-synching.

If e-synching is really so all-powerful as you seem to think, that it
guarantees isotropy in the one-way speed of light, then WHAT IS SO BAD
ABOUT THAT?

        Note, please, that it does so only in the class of theories
        in which the round-trip speed of light is isotropically c in
        every inertial frame. But yes, for every theory in that class
        e-synching your clocks will ensure that you measure the
        1-way speed of light to be isotropically c, regardless of your
        frame's motion wrt the ether. This will, incidentally, also
        ensure that the velocity dependence of kinetic energy is also
        isotropic, that F=ma is isotropic, etc. <shrug>

Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com

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