Re: Radius of electron

From: V ertner Vergon (vergon_enterprises_at_highstream.net)
Date: 06/28/04 

Date: 28 Jun 2004 08:47:45 -0700

vktamhane12@rediffmail.com (V.K.Tamhane) wrote in message news:<9d62a326.0406250311.6cbd48d1@posting.google.com>...
> "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<cbetv1$h79$2@titan.btinternet.com>...
> > > > > > >> > Vergon:
> > >
> > > I read about an experiment that said when approaching a neutron
> there
> > > was detected first a negative charge -- then as the probe got closer
> > > the negative charge changed to a positive charge. What do you make
> of
> > > that?
> >
> > From the wording you used, such as ""when approaching the
> > neutron......." and "as the probe got closer...." it is obvious that
> > your knowledge of this matter does not extend beyond reading a
> > simplified article in a pop science magazine.

Vergon:

What's "obvious" to you is your problem.

The information was obtained from

THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES: A CONTEMPORARY APPROACH,
Edward F. Neuzel, Bogden & Quigley, N.Y., 1972, p 199

I used a colloquial wording because not everyone reading this NG is as
smart as you. :-)

> > But yes, there is effectively a charge separation in the neutron.
> >
> > If you want to criticise the results for the radial charge
> > distribution of the electron, you will have to know one hell of a lot
> > more than that.
> >
> > Franz
>
> since the neutron has a magnetic moment, there has to be a charge
> separation. From my very elementary knowledge of particles, I
> understand that in the neutron, proton is covered with a cloud of
> negative pion. the later is effectively made of electron and
> neutrinos. Since Bohr atomic model does not apply here, I want to know
> from you,
>
> 1. What is the partition which keeps away negative charge from
> annihilating positive charge? How this partition acts?
> 2. Why this partition is unstable?

Vergon:

Here is my version. It is self consistent and consistent with
empiricism.
IF YOU DON'T READ IT DON'T COMMMENT.

Beta decay:

n(+ -) --> p(+) + e(-) + ~(0) where ~ is a neutrino.
  1/2 1/2 1/2 1/2

The charge of the neutron is neutral because it consists of both a
proton
and electron, so the charges neutralize each other.

The binding energy closely binding the electron to the proton
(creating the neutron) is the neutrino when released.
 
We have spin parity: 1/2 before the reaction and 3/2 afterward (as the
neutrino has a half spin).

We also have charge parity as the neutrino has no charge.
 
Note, the mass of the binding energy is the difference in mass between
the neutron and the combined mass of the electron and proton.

This mass is 1.3891 x 10^-27 gr -- and this times c^2 is 1.24866 x
10^-6 erg
or .78 MeV -- the energy known to accompany this reaction.
 
Note, the mass remaining after the release of the proton is enough
mass to form *two* electrons. The reason that does
not happen is because it would violate charge parity.
So after the electron is formed, the remaining mass, 1.38909 x 10^-27
gr
has nowhere to go charge paritywise and so goes flying off into space.

Question: If the neutrino is the left over after the proton and
electron are
released, it must have a negative spin also. Why, then, is the
neutrino charge
neutral and not negative?

Answer: We can assume the neutrino is not a bound particle but
composed
of scattered sub-particles, traveling in the same direction but
disassociated
enough so as not to register a charge -- though the spin is there.

To enhance this view, we note there is no binding energy within the
neutrino.

As an addendum to this scenario, there have been experiments that
show -- approaching a neutron's exterior there is first detected a
negative
charge, and then as the probe goes further, the negative charge
changes
to positive.

Question: If that is so, then we have a proton surrounded by an
electron.
Why, then, do we not have an hydrogen atom?

Answer: because of the binding force that is the neutrino when
released.
This binding force keeps the electron in close proximity to the
proton.

Note. We see here why a *free* neutron decays when in the free state.
When associated with a proton there is an interaction that supplies
stability
When that is missing, the binding force is insufficient to hold the
neutron
together so it breaks up (decays).

Also, we see why the heavier elements are unstable. They have an
excess
of neutrons and there are not enough protons to maintain the stable
neutron/proton interaction, so radioactive decay sets in.
............................
As an aside, can anyone tell me why the charge on the electron and the
proton are equal (though opposite) despite their huge disparity in
mass?
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