Re: The Relativity and the airplane

From: Bill Hobba (bhobba_at_rubbish.net.au)
Date: 07/05/04


Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:59:47 GMT


"claude-morichon" <Claude-MORICHON@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:cccbhu$m2b$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr...
> The Relativity which use relative speed is not a very good theory . The
good
> theory is the theory of Poincare-Lorentz , which use absolute speed ,
> therefore an absolute frame
> The proof is given by the experiment of the airplane . In this
> experiment the clocks of the airplane are more slow than the clocks of the
> earth , and the result is not the same when the trip is from east to west
or
> from west to east .
> First the aviators , who are not in the same frame as the
terrestrials
> , see also their clocks are more slow than the clocks of the earth . (
twins
> paradox )

The resolution of the so called paradox shows it is not a paradox - they
simply follow different world lines - see
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/acceleration.html
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/clock.html
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/TwinParadox/twin_paradox.html

> Secondly the relative speed is the same when the airplane go from west
> to east or from east to west , but the result is not the same .
> To explain this result it is necessary to use the speed of the earth .
> But this speed is an absolute speed , and the speed of the airplane is
also
> an absolute speed .

There is no such thing as absolute speed. The laws of physics are the same
in all inertial frames.

> Finally we have the difference between two absolute
> times , and no a relative time , and it is not the same thing .
> It is impossible to have a speed of translation in an absolute frame ,
but
> it is possible to have a rotation speed in this frame . ( See Sagnac's
> experiment )
> Therefore it is necessary to study this frame , named sometimes ether ,
> if we want understand the physics .

There is no such thing as absolute time - experiments show that different
observers measure different times.

Please try an understand a theory before you criticize it.

Bill



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