Re: Mileva Maric Einstein
From: Harry (harald.vanlintel_at_epfl.ch)
Date: 07/23/04
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:09:13 +0200
"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> wrote in message
> news:4100c9ae$1@epflnews.epfl.ch...
> > > > > Did Poincare at the 1911 Solvay conference show no
> > > > > understanding of relativity, the theory that Einstein supposedly
> stole
> > > > from
> > > > > him - Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Wow! I never heard that rumour - and I doubt it because I know from
> his
> > > > writings that he understood it better than Lorentz. Do you have a
> > > reference?
> > > >
> > >
> > > It is no rumor - see page 170 - Pais - Subtle is the Lord. Einstein
> meet
> > > Poincare for the first time at the Solvay conference of 1911 and is it
> > > reported that Poincare showed little of no understanding of
relativity.
> > >
> > > BTW Harry I highly recommend the above source for the true facts about
> > > Einstein. It is not just the authors view - the extensive
bibliography
> it
> > > is based on is amazing.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Bill
> >
> > I don't have the book, so please give me the reference it provides so I
> can
> > look it up - if it has such a reference!
>
> The reference that supports it is E12 but for some reason does not
actually
> appear in the bibliography.
>
> > "it is reported" is definitely a rumour - except if you can specify who
> > reported it and on what basis, so we can judge for ourselves how likely
it
> > is to be correct.
>
> Come on Harry - Pias is a reputable source and he quotes Einstein as
> actually saying it. I am sure Pias can back it up.
If according to Pias Einstein made a bad remark about Poincare then the
contents of that remark must be correct?!
Come on!
> > However, for your information, I reported in my above
> > message to you that he obviously understood it quite well, and I even
> > reported how I know it and I can not only give you the references but
even
> > send some of them to you.
>
> Well it seems Einstein did not agree with you.
Fine. It's OK if you state that Einstein claimed so according to an unknown
source of Pias.
> > Bill, I highly recommend you to stop spreading rumours and stick to the
> > original sources.
> >
>
> Quoting from a standard source by a reputable researcher in the area is
not
> spreading rumors.
Of course it can be. If you quote a rumour spread by CNN or BBC as if it is
a verified fact then it is still propagating a rumour.
> > Such books as you refer to are mainly useful for the included sources -
> > and only by reading these sources.
>
> I agree that it would be better if the reference Pias gave in support
> actually appeared in the bibliography but it is obvious much greater
weight
> must be given to such sources than the innuendo being peddled by
> Australopithecus Afarensis who, has been documented by Dirk, is obviously
> anti Jewish.
In my experience "reputable" sources are not so much better than doubtful
sources that they can be relied upon. Thus now I give almost *no* weight to
second hand sources.
Harald
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