Re: Martyrs for the cause
From: Harry (harald.vanlintel_at_epfl.ch)
Date: 07/28/04
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:47:01 +0200
"Androcles" <androc1es@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> wrote in message
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> | "Androcles" <androc1es@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> | SNIP
> | > | > | > Tell us please (if relevant), what aether models have you seen
> | that
> | > | are
> | > | > | > consistent with MMX and explain how this is so.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | No doubt you know the one of Lorentz (or could it be possible
that
> | > | > | after many years in this group you don't know it?!).
> | > | >
> | > | > As I said, some other lunatic idea. If the earth were compressed
out
> | of
> | > | > shape by aether pressure,
> | > |
> | > | Funny, is "ether pressure" your invention?
> | >
> | > No, its Lorentz's.
> |
> | I never saw that (and I don't believe you). Reference please!
>
> You are impulsive, aren't you? It's given below.
No - as you would have known if you were less impulsive! :-))
> | > | In any case, it has nothing to do
> | > | with Lorentz' theory.
> | >
> | > Of course it does.
> | > "Thus one would have to imagine that the motion of a solid body (such
as
> | > brass rod or the stone disk employed in later experiments) through the
> | > resting ether exerts upon the dimenions of that body an influence
which
> | > varies according to the orientation of the body with respec o the
> | direction
> | > of motion." "Michelson's Experiment" - H. A. Lorentz.
> | > Funny, huh?
> |
> | No pressure but something like field deformation (and now I am
> interpreting
> | it, for he didn't say that there either).
>
> Oh, did I say "pressure" instead of "pondermotive force"? Dear me.
No force either, if you mean external force.
> | > | Perhaps you are confused with the kind of ether that
> | > | already Newton rejected. Replace it with "absolute space" and try
> again.
> | >
> | > Confused? Not I. You are obviously unfamiliar with what Lorentz wrote.
> | There
> | > is no confusion on my part in copying the words of Lorentz.
> | > Perhaps you are confused by relativist prattle.
> |
> | Now highlight the word "pressure". - Oh, not in your sentence but in
his.
> | ;-)
>
> "...i.e. the FORCE, reckoned per unit charge, which is EXERTED by the
ether
> on a volume element of an electron." H.A. Lorentz, "Electromagnetic
> Phenomena in a System Moving with a Velocity less than Light."
>
> I apologise for confusing your simple mind by saying "pressure". We don't
> apply pressure, we exert force.
That's better! It does not mean compression of the earth "out of shape by
aether pressure" so that it "it should bounce back like a ball" - there is a
subtle difference about how the forces act. You presumptuously mistaken that
Lorentz didn't know the laws of Newton...
> | > | > it should bounce back like a ball (or could it be
> | > | > possible that after many years since school you've never heard of
> | > Newton's
> | > | > three laws? Obviously Lorentz never did.)
> | > |
> | > | ;-))
> | >
> | > Uh huh...
> | > What's the rictus for?
> |
> | Because you put your words in Lorentz' mouth.
> Well, yes. I did. My apologies. We don't apply pressure, we exert force.
> |
> | SNIP
> Ah... I see you've snipped without giving a reason.
> Androcles.
No you did - but it won't save your theory, it's worth a new thread!
Harald
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