Re: Einstein and the Ether, Reciprocating Space-Time and Transverse Waves

From: Harry (harald.vanlintel_at_epfl.ch)
Date: 07/29/04 

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:26:18 +0200

"Ole D. Rughede" <ole.rughede@privat.dk> wrote in message
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> "Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch> skrev i en meddelelse
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SNIP

> > > Right Harald, but Einstein in SR did completely off with the aether,
> > > so perhaps we should have a glance at Einstein's later visions about
> > > Galileian-Newtonian space made into Eistein space-time?
> >
> > He did but partially changed his mind, while Lorentz stuck to it and
> > Poincare had already come back to it.
> > What's the use of Einstein's ether plus space-time instead of Lorentz'
> > ether? Note that such things don't change any equation one single bit.
> >
> > > (Please let's use the classical nomen 'Aether' to avoid any
> confusion
> > > with chemical [(C2H5)2]O, 'etheral' spirits, et c.).
> >
> > The problem with "Aether" is that it leads to confusion with the
> concept of
> > aether that exists next to matter, and which Newton with good reason
> > rejected. Even many in this group make that confusion. Maybe a new
> term
> > similar to space-time may be invented (the "space-vacuum" of Androcles
> is
> > perhaps not so bad!), or simply "vacuum".
> >
>
> I'm confused by this. Which other 'ether' should be more realistic
> or existing than the Aether that exists next to matter, and which
> according to you should have been rejected by Newton?
>
> To my knowledge Newton never rejected any idea of the aether.
> So please reference?

Just look at my useless discussions with Oriel36 (useless except for the
references for which I am grateful to him).
Newton explicitly and emphatically rejected the "aether" concept of his
days, which resembled the more recent one of Stokes.

> The Aether is the medium of all fields and forces which Newton
> meant would be nesescessary to avoid force by distance, as he
> honestly admitteed, and which problem he honestly evaded saying
> about the force of gravity: "It is as if such a force" - not that there
> is a force of distance!
>
> Aether of course is a physical reality, but next to matter, since
> the properties of the Aether are so very different from those of
> material substances made up of ponderable matter.

What I meant is that Newton's space / Lorentz ether isn't something that can
obstruct matter like Stokes' ether.
If such exists (and I see no other solution), then matter must be part of
it/consist of it/ be a phenomenon of it.
Although your description below seems to be very much your own concept, I
have the impression that it agrees on that basic point.

Harald

> I describe Aether as the space-time-energetic continuum of
> free radiant energy irradiated form all astrophysical objects in
> the universe and filling all of space and time as the energetic
> medium of all fields and forces. This Aether of course has no
> rest-mass, since it may also be called the bulk of all emitted
> photons of all frequencies and corresponding wavelengths,
> but this radiant wavy energy in space-time which can be
> described by its energy density at some temperature in every
> point of space-time, has of course a corresponding "equivalent
> mass" m = E/c^2 where E = U = uV, u = the energy density.
>
> Einstein admitted that space equipped with fields and forces
> should or could be called the aether.
>
> Ole

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