Re: The Fundamental Flaw of SR.

From: Nick (no.spam.please_at_nospam.com)
Date: 07/29/04 

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC)

A 'transit time' isn't a 'simultaneous event, you moocher!

:-)

But an interpretation of length is - by definition it's the difference in
spacial separation between two points in space as judged at the same time by
a particular observer.

So what's your point ? Mooch

"kenseto" <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nick" <no.spam.please@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ceb86m$59c$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > You've written:
> >
> > <<A and B are in relative motion (v ) >>
> >
> > But you haven't explained what this velocity is with respect to.
> >
> > Some *third* observer saying:
> >
> > "Hey, that frame is going at v, and that frame is going at minus v"
> >
> > (although you could frame it like this - it is an entirely different
> > situation.)
> >
> > Basically, you haven't defined what you mean by v.
>
> This is stupid. We have two frames A and B and they are moving wrt
> each other at v. There is no third observer.
> >
> > And whilst I have no disagreement that both frames will agree to the
value
> > of v - I think you've failed to define your frame, and as such, your
post
> > is:
> >
> > Bollocks
>
> Idiot.
>
> Ken Seto
>
> >
> > "kenseto" <kenseto@erinet.com> wrote in message
> > news:10gi04cjtnn2hf4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > The fundamental flaw of SR:
> > > A and B are in relative motion (v ) and each is equipped with
> > > an identical clock and an identical rod of length L.
> > > SR claims:
> > > 1. From A's point of view:
> > > A will see the closing speed for light to traverse the length
> > > of B's rod is (c+v) in one direction and (c-v) in the opposite
> direction.
> > > Therefore the transit time for light to traverse the length of the rod
> is:
> > > (L/c+v) in one direction and (L/c-v) in the opposite direction. This
> > > is the method Einstein used to derive the SR concept of relativity of
> > > simultaneity (RoS).
> > >
> > > 2. From B's point of view:
> > > B will see the closing speed for light to traverse the length
> > > of A's rod is (c+v) in one direction and (c-v) in the opposite
> direction.
> > > Therefore the transit time for light to traverse the length of the rod
> is:
> > > (L/c+v) in one direction and (L/c-v) in the opposite direction. This
> > > is the method Einstein used to derive the SR concept of relativeity of
> > > simultaneity (RoS).
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. SR also claims that:
> > > A measures that the transit time for light to traverse his rod
> > > is the same L/c in all directions.
> > >
> > > 4. SR also claims that:
> > > B measures that the transit time for light to traverse his rod
> > > is the same L/c in all directions.
> > >
> > > 5. This means that A's point of view disagrees with B's measurements.
> > >
> > > 6 This means that B's point of view disagrees with A's measurements.
> > >
> > > The Solution:
> > > 1. A uses the LT to determine the length of B's rod and he gets
L/gamma.
> > > From that he determines that the transit time for light to traverse
B's
> > rod
> > > in B's frame is (L/c*gamma) in all directions. This will agree with
the
> > fact
> > > that B measures the same transit time in all directions.
> > >
> > > 2. B uses the LT to determine the length of A's rod and he gets
L/gamma.
> > > From that he determines that the transit time for light to traverse
A's
> > rod
> > > in A's frame is (L/c*gamma) in all directions. This will agree with
the
> > fact
> > > that A measures the same transit time in all directions.
> > >
> > > Conclusions:
> > > The assertion of closing speed is bogus. This means that the concept
of
> > > relativity of simultaniety is bogus. This means that identical events
> that
> > > are simultaneous in one frame will be simutlaneous in all frames.
> > >
> > > Ken Seto
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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