Re: A challenge to non-SRians

From: greywolf42 (mingstb_at_marssim-ss.com)
Date: 08/05/04


Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:46:49 -0700


"Paul Miller" <aksuited@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4602c429.0408050250.4e0b0bab@posting.google.com...

> > Hey, great. If the 'newsgroup' wants to foot the hardware costs, that
> > will be fine with me. However, at this point, I'm still waiting for
> > Paul Miller to show he's not just trolling. I'm willing to negotiate
any
> > concerns he might have, and ready to start the actual design of the
> > experiment. But first, I need to find out what level of precision he's
> > expecting -- as this affects the design. And he's off 'thinking about
> > it.' (With 100K possibly at stake, I don't blame him for thinking.)
>
> Hey greywolf,
> I haven't forgotten about your proposal, but I'm going to take some
> advice from my physicist friend. Unfortunately, we both have day jobs,
> so it might take a while, but I will get back to you.

Your physicist friend should have the win/lose criterion at his/her
fingertips. If (s)he takes more than a week (8/8) from the last significant
advance in negotiations, (s)he will make you look like a troll. (And why
does your friend request anonymity? Shouldn't we be upfront about all of
this?)

> In the meantime, sal raises an issue that I've been wondering about:
> how do you synchronise your clocks?

We can use the GPS system to set the clocks before the experiment, as I
noted before. But it really doesn't matter (if the clocks are reasonably
stable). As the Earth turns and the orientation of the mirror array
changes, any aether drift will be noticeable even if the clocks aren't
synchronized to start with. Or, we can set the clocks at one location and
transport them to the detector points. We can discuss this, too. Again,
this may be affected by the win/lose criterion.

So, please focus on the win/lose criterion, before spending more energy
other issues. Thanks.

> If there is an aether wind, won't
> that affect the synchronisation, and in a way that negates the effect
> your looking for? I really am just asking a question here, not making
> a challenge - there's a good chance that I've got it completely wrong.

That would be in your favor, wouldn't it?

It's very sporting of you to inform me of the risks to my money. However,
since I've already noted that e-synching will not be used, I don't worry
excessively. So long as we don't rely upon sending light signals to
synchronize our clocks, we have no problem.

--
greywolf42
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