Re: Indian physicist vindicated in black hole controversy

From: Australopithecus Afarensis (fossil.lucy_at_cox.net)
Date: 08/08/04 

Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:11:13 -0700

The wage difference including benefits between the US and India/China is
more like 8:1 for engineering and software development, 4:1 for blue collar
production work. With the rapid de-industrialization of the US, the only
high paying jobs are services. With services, you really don't need a good
education. It is very interesting to see if a strong economy can be
sustained with only service industry. I have a feeling that in two
generations, the US would be a third world country.

The question now is why the government allows this to happen. The answer is
to promote an under-educated mass. Ever since the internet opened up
closets to allow all skeletons to tell their sides of stories, intellectual
ideas flourished. One such finding does indicate our government is actually
supervised by a small group of elite spanning international communities.
With an educated and financially more independent middle class, it is rather
difficult for this elite group to control it and maintain power. Thus, by
destroying the economic base of the middle class, the middle class (or going
to be lack of it) have to spend more time and less sophisticated jobs to
feed their families. The educational base will suffer despite the extend of
internet. There are a lot of good information and analysis out there.
However, there are also piles of mis-information and misleading analysis
which an educated person with a logical and analytical educational
background can easily make use of the good and discard the useless
materials. Although the job loss started in the mid 70's to the far east,
these were blue collar jobs which do not require a lot of education to
fulfill. However, the current trend of job loss is alarming. They are
white collar jobs which need a higher educational background to achieve.With
dumbing down of educational system, it becomes very difficult for the mass
to determine what is useful and what is BS. The mass becomes easier to
control.

You may argue all these transitions are normal and based on capitalism. If
capitalism is thoroughly executed, there are just too many benefits to speak
out for capitalism. However, if the rules imposed on the development of
capitalism only applied to one nation and not others, it is not capitalism
any more but a form of socialist planning. For example, if Indian companies
don't care about their environment nor benefits of their workers, it would
be silly to allow the US to compete against India. Another example is if
the Chinese utilize slave labor for their international economic
competition, it is rather unfair for the US to compete. But all these
things do happen in the international arena.

So, folks, brace yourselves for a transition to a third world statue with
downgrading of living standard in the next two generations. The internet is
becoming too powerful. They have to do something to compensate. We are
living on the fruits of industrialization built by our fathers,
grandfathers, and beyond which give us an advantage among international
communities. Now, without the industrial base, we are bound to spend all
our ancestors left us. That would leave nothing to show for our children,
grandchildren, and beyond.

May Einstein (our god) have mercy on our souls (in the context of General
Relativity as a relgion). Amen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Weston" <daniel009@webtv.net>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Indian physicist vindicated in black hole controversy

To Androcles: The only slant to my post is emphasizing that U.S. jobs
are being shipped overseas. I understand all the humanitarian benefits
to be had when the emerging (backward) economies have wages brought up
and ours brought down so that all Indians, and all Chinese, and all
South America, all make the same identical wage. For the US citizens
and those of GB, the transition phase will be one very long transition
phase of recession and decreasing standard of living. I think that is
wonderfully humanitarian so long as it does not effect my income. Those
in Bangladesh might have to wait 1 or 2 years extra. BTW, an Indian
computer programmer can be had for 1/3 the cost of a stateside
programmer. That is great for me but sad for the people I know that are
being laid off by HP thereby necessitating them to work in fast food
joints at half the previous income. I also think it is OK for all the
Indians and Mexicans who want our welfare to move to GB and US. Our
citizens' welfare will go down radically, but that bad feeling will be
assuaged by the increased happiness of new welfare recipients from all
the backward countries. Glory be.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Androcles" <androc1es@nospamblueyonder.co.uk>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 09:34 AM
Subject: Re: Indian physicist vindicated in black hole controversy

Why this ethnic slant? Is there some relevance to it? Is there something
about a political boundary within which a person is born that makes one
mathematician different from another?
Since the population of India is about 4 times greater that the population
of the USA, it can hardly be surprising that there would be four times as
many mathematicians. Maybe Indians don't compete for scholarships by playing
with a ball...
Androcles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Weston" <daniel009@webtv.net>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 09:08 PM
Subject: Re: Indian physicist vindicated in black hole controversy

India produces first class mathematicians and physicists. More and more
stateside work is being outsourced to India, or their mathematicians and
physicists are imported. May Vishnu take mercy on our souls

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