Re: The Principle of Least Action and God.

From: Bill Hobba (bhobba_at_rubbish.net.au)
Date: 08/19/04 

Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:24:03 GMT

"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:IgNUc.154186$5D1.7528193@news4.tin.it...
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> Mitchell ha scritto nel messaggio
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> CUT
> >You are mistaken Franco.
> >He was a true believer.
> >If you don't believe me then tell me why he refered to God as the Old
One.
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>
> Yes, that's true.
> But he said " the present problem between science and religion depend from
a
> conception of a PERSONIFIED God".
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> I'm quoting by my memory. I've read that in Abraham Pais' book or other
> books.
> But I'm sure that I've read it.
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> So, that is difficult to think that Einstein believed in a personified
god.

He believed in the god of Spinoza 'While for Spinoza all is God and all is
Nature, the active/passive dualism enables us to restore, if we wish,
something more like the traditional terms.' see
http://www.friesian.com/spinoza.htm

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> On the other hand, I do not make any disctinction between a personified
god
> and a non personified god.
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> When people think a deity, they are thinking about an immaterial
> consciousness.

Does that include Einstein and Spinoza? And before you answer think about
if such a discussion is really suitable for sci.physics.relativity.

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> I don't care if Einstein's deity was personified or not.
> Pantheism means to believe in a deity and deities have got consciousness,
> and I do not see any evidence for an immaterial consciousness.
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> So, or the "Old one" or "pantheism" is irrilevant for me.
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> But I think that AGNOSTICS are the main problem. Because they admit the
> possibility of a PERSONIFIED GOD

I think the main problem is people who wish to beat up an issue when there
is none. I lean towards the god of Spinoza and believe in a platonic world
for which the reality we experience are mere shadows on the wall - the true
reality lies in our mathematics. But as an issue worthy of serious debate
it hardly ranks for me at all - it is just something I happen to believe -
that is all. Others hold a different view - big deal.

Thanks
Bill

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> Bye
> Franco
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