Re: Absolute Time

From: suzysewnshow (suzysewnshow_at_yahoo.com.au)
Date: 08/25/04 

Date: 24 Aug 2004 20:30:38 -0700

"Androcles" <androc1es@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<l2PWc.154$171.2035865@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> "suzysewnshow" <suzysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:e0a23188.0408240727.5f4d6bb@posting.google.com...
> | > |
> | > | Good Grief Yerself!
> | > | Begin with let "k be a variable... "
> | > | Now do all that and prove that the variable never changes.
> | > | ANY valid evolution should prove a constant is constant.
> | > | Sue...
> | >
> | > Prove a variable is constant? That happens all the time and why we call
> such
> | > 'variables' as pi or e constant. Why would I want to do that?
> | > Better to prove a supposed constant is actually a variable, or provide a
> | > counter-example, surely?
> | >
> | Standards laboratories the world over *treat* alpha, the fine
> | structure constant as a variable because it has not been fundamentally
> | proven otherwise. Yes, there is plenty of evidence, but no proof like
> | we could do for e or pi. Dielectric parameters fall in the same
> | category. They are subject to change as our knowlege improves.
> | >
> | > I only provided the proof that the constant exists by giving it a value,
> as
> | > challenged, nothing more. So yes, I can prove a constant exists because
> I
> | > see a variable change.
> | >
> | > If you are going to challenge k is constant, that is a whole different
> ball
> | > game. Let's play it.
> | > If you want me to prove k is a variable, then let k be the radius of a
> | > circle. By definition, circles have diameters. I define the radius to be
> the
> | > diameter/2, 2 being defined as constant. Since by observation there are
> | > circles with differing diameters, the diameter is a variable. Since a
> | > constant divided by a constant is a constant, k must be variable.
> | >
> | Yes. That seems the correct evolution. You did not begin with "let k
> | be a constant". You assumed it variable then offered proof that it is
> | constant.
>
> Huh? I did nothing of the kind. I gave a simple example of a variable and
> proved it was a variable. It was meant as a joke.
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL :-O
>
>
> | >
> | > Now, wasn't it you that upheld c = 1/sqrt( mu0*epsilon0) or some such, c
> | > constant?
> | Is it not so written in the scriptures? ;-)
>
> I take scripture with a pillar of salt.
There is lots to recommend the practice.
>
> | If you are going to debate
> | the existance of an ether or the correctness of SR, Maxwell ect. you
> | should be prepared to defend again and again your version of that
> | expression.
> |
> | It *would* appear that I upheld that space is a dielectric not the
> | correctness of the expression:
> | {{
> | Free space doesn't mediate anything. What evidence do you have that
> | free
> | space is a dielectric
> |
> | Sigh, I have only this as evidence:
> | http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/DielectricConstant.html
> | http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/more/light/images/c_vac.gif
> | }}
> | http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/more/light/images/c_matt.gif
> | would have served as well for that purpose.
>
> Ugh...
> c = 1/(sqrt(u0e0) = 1/sqrt((ue) ==> u0=ue/e0
> That looks highly supicious. Is that a US .gov publication?
> Oh yeah...
> "Light is great, light is mysterious, light is useful."
> http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/more/light/
>
> Sounds a lot more like "Allah Akbah" than science to me. Great? How can
> light be 'great'?
>
> "After all, they say everything started with light."
> Who the hell are the mysterious "they"?
>
> Please don't point me to sites written by teenage public relations
> propagandists.
>
Eh! I just gave ya the .gif of the equation. 'Twas you went rompin'
round lookin' at stuff unfit for virgin eyes. ;-)
>
> |
> | > Defining c as the velocity of light in all frames of reference (in
> keeping
> | > with this newsgroup) I challenge you to prove c is constant; I think c
> is a
> | > variable, and I can approach or recede from a source of light simply by
> | > moving from one source to another with *constant* velocity v. What does
> that
> | > do to your constants mu0 and epsilon0?
> | If I can't prove u0 and e0 are constants how could I ever do that?
>
> You can't :)
>
> | Perhaps someone else will take you up on it. ;-)
>
> | Kind regards,
> | Sue...
> Burden of proof is upon the claimant <shrug>
> Have fun,
> Androcles.
>
Yup! That's the way I see it. Here is the claim:
-------------------------
<<
Big question: why does it accelerate back to exactly its original
speed after
leaving that medium?

Henri Wilson.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

See proof that light speed is source dependent.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
>>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3146162307d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&scoring=d&selm=kdrki09nfpunr0r1vl46uasa0vv7fsec8j%404ax.com&rnum=58
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An interesting study is to put a dipole inside a lambda/4 thick wax
cylinder several wavelengths in radius then see how much of the
cylinder you have to remove to make the claim true.
If ya don't want wax all over your best kitchen knife or prefer your
magnetrons just for cooking, here are some clues:

http://www.eetimes.com/at/hpm/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=12805076&kc=6380
http://www.wipl-d.com/products/benchmark_projects/HDA.php
http://esl.eng.ohio-state.edu/pdf/Poster_UWB_antenna_ccc.pdf 1.55MB
1page pics

Kind regards,
Sue...

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