Re: Reflections on Aether
From: Bilge (dubious_at_radioactivex.lebesque-al.net)
Date: 09/02/04
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:27:15 -0000
Paul Stowe:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:42:11 +0200, "Harry" <harald.vanlintel@epfl.ch>:
>>"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
>>news:slrncj6fih.kn.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
>>> Paul Stowe:
>>>
>>>> Maxwell's aether IS what brought about the realization that locally,
>>>> the aether is Lorentz Covariant.
>>>
>>> No it isn't and despite my repeated requests for you to prove that
>>> statement, you have refused to do so.
>>
>> A negative statement like that is just as much an allegation. Where
>> did you prove it?
>
> Well Harry, let's posit an aetherial medium of the classic particulate
> sort. We further assume that the particles are perfectly elastic,
> simple entities without any fields. We then assume they all have kinetic
> energy (are in motion) and have some finite physical spacing between
> them. None of these starting assumptions are 'exotic' from the historical
> aether standpoint.
>
> We need NOT assume anything else. What results must be local Lorentz
> Covariance behavior. That is strictly required.
That is not a proof of anything. It's a number of ill-defined assertions
with nothing connecting them to your conclusion. Let's see you actually
_prove_ that by actually turning your ill-defined assertions into some-
thing about which the meaning is clear and go step-by-step to the con-
clusion. For ``perfectly elastic'', write down a mathematical expression
which defines ``perfectly elastic''. Write down the mean spacing between
particles. Derive the result. The last time you gave numbers for those
things in terms of a bulk modulus and density, I showed that light
couldn't propagate in free space if the frequency was much higher than
a few hundred MHz for the numbers you gave.
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