Re: Q question about relativity

From: tadchem (tadchemNOSPAM_at_comcast.net)
Date: 09/06/04 

Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 04:25:34 -0400

"dar7yl" <no_reply@accepted.org> wrote in message
news:joL_c.97715$A8.48468@edtnps89...
> <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> wrote
> >What do you think photons are, anyway?
>
> ...`When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, it
> means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' ... (Lewis
> Carrol)

An arrogant attitude that prevents one from being able to effectively
communicate. Humpty Dumpty was a character created fopr the purposes of
political satire, and to emulate such would be embarassing to anyone with
the intelligence to understand that fact.

> Photons are mythical particles that physicists have dreamed up to explain
> the quanta for transfer of energy via light waves.

The use of the word "mythical" here is gratuitous and, as it is not defined
in this context, has no part in a discussion of physics. It serves only to
demonstrate your ignorance of the protocols of discussion of the science,
Mr. Dumpty. It does nothing to strengthen your arguments.

> Photons have energy in proportion to the frequency (inverse of wavelength)
> of the emitted light.
>
> Electrons can gain energy by absorbing a photon. Electrons lose energy by
> emitting a photon.

There are situations where this is not true such as Raman scattering by
bound electrons abd the acceleration of free electrons.

> A common myth is that photons travel at exactly the speed of light, and
are
> thus massless. This has never been proven.
>
> My theory (and it's mine alone) is that photons have mass, equal to the
> expression m=e/(C**2-v**2),
> where e is the energy determined by frequency, and v is the velocity of
the
> photon, which is near, but not exactly the speed of light C.

Your "expression" implies that the speed of a photon should depend on the
energy/frequency. This means that your model predicts that photons of
different energies/frequencies will travel at different velocities.

Pulsars are astronomical bodies (often at distances of millions or billions
of light years) that flash a broad spectrum of high energy photons, much
like a strobe light flash, sometimes at thousands of times per second.
These groups of photons released travel for millions of years and still
arrive at the earth within a millisecond of each other, rather than
spreading out across space according to their individual energies. That
means that their travel times are within one part in 1/(1000000 milliseconds
per second)*1/(31557600 seconds per year)*1/(X million years) - or 1 part in
about 3 x 10^18.

The phrase "speed of light" and the value of C are *DEFINED* as "the speed
of light."

This effectively disproves your thesis.

Another common myth is that people who have studied enough physics to be
able to use the jargon with grammatical correctness, but who have not
studied the mathematical details or the physical observations of centuries,
are somehow able to perceive some great "truth" that allows them to
reconstruct the entire paradigm of physics single-handedly. You are able to
see the results of the work of many of these cranks in this NG. Like a
half-baked cake, the products of their efforts are superficially
interesting, but uncomfortably gooey when you bite into them.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

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