Re: God=G_uv proves 40k B.C. Creation

From: David Jensen (david_at_dajensen-family.com)
Date: 09/07/04 

Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:06:58 +0000 (UTC)

In alt.talk.creationism, "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com>
wrote in <tvSdnQi3kOkzU6HcRVn-vw@comcast.com>:
>
>"stew dean" <stewart@webslave.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:2b68957a.0409060308.b4a1c59@posting.google.com...
>> "George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
>> > message news:igknj0poeor9nts02cik9dsm196r037g57@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I have no degree in science and no publications in the peer reviewed
>> > > literature, but I say without a doubt that I am qualified to recognize
>> > > that your ideas have nothing to do with science.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Hammond]
>> > Gimme a fuckin break........!!!!!!!
>> > Is that statement supposed to be taken seriously?????
>>
>> Well yes. He has a point. If you look at your idea you are dealing
>> with personality tests which arguably is not really science and then
>> trying to shoe horn the results into something that looks a bit like
>> physics.
>
>[Hammond]
>Wrong. Modern "IQ tests" and "Personality tests" are based on the
>scientific method of computerized FACTOR ANALYSIS (Linear
>Algebra) and backed by Neuroscience results.

There are things that can be learned from both, but they are not
rigorous science by any meaningful definition of the word.

> Fact is, the International Council of Scientific Unions (ICSU) of which
>the ROYAL SOCIETY of London and the American Physical Association
>(APA, Physical Review Journal, etc.) are VOTING MEMBERS, voted
>in 1982 to accept the Union of Psychological Sciences (UPsyS) to
>FULL MEMBERSHIP in the ICSU, thus de facto ruling that
> "Psychology is a science"
>in particular, Psychometry, which is the backbone of modern metrical
>Psychology, is a science.
> So, if you as amateurs feel Psychology is not a science, the fact is
>the majority of professional scientists in the World, DISAGREE with
>you, officially, and have officially done so since 1982.

While there are rigorous scientific methods that can be applied to
psychology, that doesn't mean that every claim made in psychology has
been subjected to those methods.

>>
>> I also have no degree in science and although have been referenced to
>> in a few academic papers, a book on the future of artificial
>> intelligence and from a few web sites I have published no papers
>> myself. I am not a scientist.
>>
>> But then, according to your reasoning, neither are you.
>
>[Hammond]
>really? What does this tell you:
>
>B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
> Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
>M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
> Boston MA, USA
>Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
> Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
>Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
> at N.U.; presently Distinguished Professor at TAMU
>
>Peer reviewed publications:
>
>Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
> New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
> Pergamon Press.
>Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Theory of God
> Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic Press)
>
>>
>> I've pointed out what I think is a major gap in your reasoning having
>> spent about half an hour looking at your claims.
>
>[Hammond]
>Half an hour? With no degrees? Please... The first paper
>above is dated 1994. the second is dated 2003, proving
>I've spent more than 10 years studying the subject.
>In fact the first paper cites a 10 year history of research,
>making that more than 20 years.
>"Half an hour".... give me a break!
>
>>
>> If you want to call me an idiot again, go ahead. As it stands it is
>> not me or David that are having problems being taken seriously.
>> Randomly insluting people does not help your case.
>
>[Hammond]
>Arbitriary and capricous attacks will be met with insult,
>because they are in themselves insulting to begin with.
>
>
>>
>> Stew Dean
>>
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