Re: God=G_uv proves 40k B.C. Creation

From: Timberwoof (timberwoof_at_stimpberawoofm.com)
Date: 09/20/04 

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:35:54 +0000 (UTC)

In article <cil0tl$gcp$04$1@news.t-online.com>,
 bv_schornak <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
>
> >bv_schornak wrote:
> >
> >>Timberwoof wrote:
> >>
> >>>bv_schornak wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>George Hammond wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>stew dean wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>The point is the brain is a 3-axis mirror symmetirc construct which
> >>>>>>>begins at the 8 cell stage in embryology (1st 3 cleavages).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Let's review that again - the brain is roughly symmetrical along one
> >>>>>>axis, as is the rest of the body. You have DNA to thank for this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>[Hammond] Really? I'm ponly claiming the Left-right symmetry of the
> >>>>>body comes from the first cleavage of the Egg (a fact proved by Roux,
> >>>>>Conklin and others). You just stated that it comes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from DNA.... what makes you think that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>You've already forgotten that we get two complete (but half sized)
> >>>>organisms, if we separate both cells after the first cleavage? And four
> >>>>quarter sized organisms after the second cleavage? George, George...
> >>>>
> >>>>Where else than in the DNA should the information about the final
> >>>>organism sit?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Mitochondrial DNA, chemical environment during gestation, and the whole
> >>>environment as the being grows up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Isn't the Mitrochondrial DNA just a "copy" of the original double helix?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Nope. It is DNA that is separate from the nuclear DNA. It is believe that
> >these two sources of DNA stem from two separate lines of single-celled
> >species which merged to form a new type of life. The same thing is believed
> >to hae happened in plants: chloroplasts are analogous to mitochondria.
> >
>
> I see. Obvious, the "egg" and "sperm", merging together...

Not the same thing. Mitochondria and chloroplasts are very similar in structure
and function to certain single-celled organisms and IIRC share significant
amounts of MDNA with them. The hypothesis is that some bigger organisms ate
them, but instead of breaking them down for molecular parts, developed a
symbiotic relationship. Once that got worked out, it became an advantage to
those critters, which subsequently grew into multicellular beings in the
Cambrian Explosion.

> You know much more in this field than I do!

:shrug: I just read a lot.

> >>Dunno, but I think it is valid for the cells after the 1st cleavage.
> >>[Hammond] claims that the symmetry of the organism is determined by those
> >>two cells, which is not true -
> >><http://www.devbio.com/article.php?ch=3&id=15>. The article says that until
> >>the _third_ cleavage the cells are able to grow to a fully developed
> >>organism with 1/2 or 1/4 of the normal size, if we separate the cells from
> >>each other.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hmmm. Identical twins form this way. But I do not think they are born
> >half-szied.
> >
>
> Right in both cases (my sisters are monozygotic twins).
>
> Having a look at this site
>
> <http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/crswr/cleavage.html>,
>
> [Hammond]'s theory is stabbed one more time. The deter- minate cleavage type
> (bottom line) does not look really symmetric in the horizontal plane...

Cool.

Another thing to consider is that hormones play a big part in telling cells what
side of the body they're on and even what sex the being is. It turns out that
the flow of certain growth hormones in a particular direction is what
establishes the body's axis and directions. When this flow is disturbed, the
body can develop with unusual effects such as the heart on the wrong side or
worse circulatory defects. Sometimes the sex hormones work differently on one
side of the body than on the other, resulting in, for instance, a boy with a
testicle on one side and and an ovary on the other. 

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