Re: God=G_uv proves 40k B.C. Creation

From: George Hammond (nowhere_at_nomailspam.com)
Date: 09/26/04 

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:47:09 +0000 (UTC)

"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
news:cj4vd4$vrq$05$1@news.t-online.com...
> George Hammond wrote:
>
> >bv_schornak wrote:
> >
> >>>>>[Hammond]
> >>>>>"Mosaic eggs" are more primative than "regulative" embryos, however
> >>>>>the CLEAVAGE GEOMETRY is the same for both types.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1. CONKLIN (1905):
> >>>>>
> >http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/109061172/PDFSTART
> >
> >>>>>proved that the first cleavage produces 2 mirror symmetric 1/2
embryos
> >>>>>in "Mosaic" eggs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>2. ROUX proved that this same cleavage goemetry exists in
"Regulative"
> >>>>>eggs by coaxing (accidently) 2 mirror symmetric 1/2 embryos out of
> >>>>>a "regulative egg" also, and for the same reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>Roux made a bad mistake by leaving the dead attached to
> >>>>the living cell. Driesch - using more recent methods to
> >>>>separate those cells - proved with his experiments that
> >>>>Roux' results were based on a wrong method (killing one
> >>>>of both cells instead of separating them). Thus - Roux'
> >>>>results were proven to be wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>[Hammond]
> >>>WRONG, ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Roux happened to discover
> >>>the "1/2 symmetric embryo" phenomena using "regulative"
> >>>eggs. 15 years later CONKLIN and finally 46 years later
> >>>COHEN & BERRILL confirmed Roux's "1/2 symmetric embryo"
> >>>using MOSAIC eggs which can be "complely detached" and
> >>>will still grow into "1/2 symmetric embryo's".
> >>> Fact is, Roux discovered that the first cleavage causes
> >>>the bilateral symmetry of the body, that fact is basic to
> >>>the scientific proof of God. Meanwhile, a bunch of 2nd string
> >>>hacks like Speman and Dreisch got into it and IGNORED Roux's
> >>>fundamental earth shaking discovery about BODY GEOMETRY
> >>>and thought the question of "distribution of genetic material"
> >>>was more important. Roux actually thought (using modern terminology)
> >>>that "different DNA" went to each cell in the first cleavage. What
> >>>Speman proved is that "different genes are activated on the same DNA"
> >>>in each cell. Anyway.... the whole "genetic frenzy" involved simply
> >>>OBSCURED what a fundamental fact ROUX discovered.... that
> >>>the first cleavage is the cause of bilateral symmetry... a fact that
> >>>has been subsequently proved.
> >>>
> >>No, George - this is what Cronklin said:
> >>
> >>[quote]
> >>
> >
> ><snip irrevant quote>
> >
>
> Taken from _the same_ PDF document you are quoting below. Once
> again you discredit your own sources.
>
> >[Hammond]
> >Sorry , you lose Bernie.....
> >
>
> George - read the stuff you are linking to until the end. That
> quote you've snipped is taken from page 462 of that book - the
> conclusions, while your quote is taken from the enumeration of
> historical studies with all the pro's and con's. The right co-
> lumn of page 462 (what I quoted) and the remaining text of the
> next page (463) is the "summary", mixed with the current state
> of knowledge.
>
> It is astonishing that you come to the opposite conclusions if
> you quote from the same text. One of us must be ignoring facts
> which are written down there, and it's definitely not me...
>
> > the judgement of history is
> >on the record and it is clear:
> >
>
> It ever was. Why do you discredit your own sources? It happens
> the second time now...
>
> >The paper at this cite:
> >
> > http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/109061172/PDFSTART
> >
> >says the following:
> >
>
> George, please - *WE'RE BOTH QUOTING FROM THIS DOCUMENT*!
>
> >---------------BEGIN QUOTE--------------------
> >This was also confirmed by Conklin.
> >In 1936 Cohen and Berrill repeated the experiments
> >of Chabry and Conklin by complete dissociation
> >of the first two blastomeres and raising
> >them in isolation. Using this improved method,
> >they exactly confirmed Chabry's and Conklin's
> >results and by counting the number of notochord
> >cells and muscle cells, they proved that the
> >resulting larve derived from 1/2 blastoderms are
> >indeed half larvae with half the number of cells.
> >---------------------END QUOTE-------------------------
> >
>
> Read the text further, there you will find the passages I have
> quoted!
>
> >And they are "mirror symmetric 1/2 embryos".
> >
>
> If this is a "determinated" cell, yes. I do not disagrees with
> that, I have seen the article we both are quoting from.

[Hammond]
You say you "do not disagree with that" then by your own admission
you lose the argument, because:

1. 1st cleavage DOES cause 1/2 mirror symmetric embryos
     in "determined" (Mosaic) eggs.
2. Indeterminate (regulative) eggs are merely a minor (gene activation
     timing modification) of Determinate eggs which does NOT affect the
     relation of L-R cleavage to Bilateral symmetry in the adult.
     This fact is PROVEN BY ROUX'S EXPERIMENT ON
     REGULATIVE EGGS.
3. Therefore the sum total of embryological research says: That the
      first cleavage in embryology causes the L-R Bilateral Symmetry
      in ALL ANIMALS. Staining fate cell maps FURTHER confirm this.
4. You lose the argument, Hammond is correct. Further argument
      of the point is useless.
QED

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