Re: Properties

From: AllYou! (idaman_at_conversent.net)
Date: 09/29/04 

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:00:30 -0400

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> > > > > > > > > > Which of the following are fundamental properties of
> nature
> > > (the
> > > > > > > > measurement
> > > > > > > > > > of which is not based upon a function of two or more
other
> > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > rather, on an arbitrarily chosen unit of itself)?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Distance (space)
> > > > > > > > > > Mass
> > > > > > > > > > Time
> > > > > > > > > > Velocity
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no way to tell. Which of the above we choose to
> > > > > > > > > be fundamental is purely a matter of convenience and
> > > > > > > > > usefulness.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, are you saying that space is not real but just a
> function
> > of
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > velocity?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is not what is being said at all. Indeed the above is
> > > basically
> > > > > > > philosophical gibberish of zero inherent physical content - if
> you
> > > > think
> > > > > > > otherwise then figure out a way to falsify it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is the job of the scientist to give evidence of his theory.
> > Where
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > evidence of time?
> > > > >
> > > > > The evidence is this - take any two clocks that count different
> > > repetitive
> > > > > processes - say the vibrations of a crystal and the count of the
> > > > wavelengths
> > > > > emitted by cesium atom, sync them, keep them together and see if
> they
> > > > remain
> > > > > in sync.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How are the waves created?
> > >
> > > See http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Atomic_clock
> >
> > "The microwave transmitter fills the chamber with a standing wave of
radio
> > waves. When the radio frequency matches the hyperfine transition
frequency
> > of cesium, the cesium atoms absorb the radio waves and emit light. The
> radio
> > waves make the electrons move farther from their nuclei. When the
> electrons
> > are attracted back closer by the opposite charge of the nucleus, the
> > electrons wiggle before they settle down in their new location. This
> moving
> > charge causes the light, which is a wave of alternating electricity and
> > magnetism."
> >
> > Your point?
>
> The point is you are obviously ignorant of QM.

Then go away.

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