Re: Download a new book on quantum mechanics and relativity.

From: Eugene Stefanovich (eugenev_at_synopsys.com)
Date: 10/12/04 

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:24:47 -0700

Bilge wrote:
> Eugene Stefanovich:
> >Bilge wrote:
> >>
> >> I never said otherwise. What I said is written above. You didn't
> >> address it.
> >
> >I wrote you a few times that when non-interacting rods and clocks are
> >used, the distances and time intervals are measured unambiguously in all
> >reference frames.
>
> So far, yu haven't told me to obtain either one. Since neither exists
> in this universe, I'm not sure how I'd get either of those even if
> you did tell me where to find it. In this universe the tick rate of
> a clock is defined by an interaction and the self-conststency that
> exists between the ticks rates of the strobg, weak and electromagetic
> interactions is defined by lorentz transforms that define the geometry
> of the spacetime those clocks inhabit. Your theory is apparently
> nothing like that, so I have no idea what your theory defines as
> a reference tick rate or a standard measure of distance.

Use light clock for a non-interacting clock and two non-interacting
particles at rest at a distance of 1m for a non-interacting measuring
rod.

>
> [...]
> >> Your tactic seems to be misconstruing or misstating what
> >> I actually write and answering a different question. You're
> >> simply dishonest.
> >>
> >> >Fine. Then tell me what are your postulates which you use to derive
> >> >the properties of inertial frames.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, defining an inertial frame in a non-circular way is
> >> non-trivial and I've told you just above what I think is required:
> >> the principle of equivalence. That allows one to equate the electro-
> >> magnetic mass to the weak mass to the strong mass and equate all of
> >> those to inertial mass.
> >
> >I have no idea what all these electromagnetic, strong, etc. masses are.
> >According to Wigner's representation theory a particle is characterized
> >by a single eigenvalue of the Casimir operator of mass. Mass is a single
> >real number associated with the particle. That's how it is measured in
> >experiment. Multiple masses are just your fantasies.
>
> Wigner probably didn't expect anyone to construct a different
> form of poincare invariance in which the boost symmetry depended
> upon whether or not the boost was measured with a strong,
> weak or electromagnetic probe, either. Stop referring to work
> done be those who obtain results based upon assumptions that
> your theory doesn't share with their the assumptions in their
> work.

I haven't been talking about Lorentz transformations in this paragraph.
I was talking about definition of mass of elementary particle.
My reference to Wigner is well justified.

>
> >> \pi_0 -> e+ e-, among others. Your assertion that the lorentz
> >> transforms are interaction dependent, requires the transformation
> >> of the pion momentum between equivalent frames to be different than
> >> the transformation of the electron momenta following the decay.
> >
> >The pion's decay can be considered according to general theory in
> >chapter 13. There is no inconsistency in momenta of the unstable
> >particle and its decay products there.
>
> That doesn't answer my question. The pion mass is 137 MeV. It
> interacts via the strong force, therefore a measurement of that
> mass comes from an interaction with a strongly interacting probe
> (which is a necessity in your theory, due to the interaction
> dependence of the lorentz transforms). The decay products are
> electrons, with a mass of 0.511 MeV, which is measured with
> an electromagnetic probe. The consistency between the numbers
> comes from the fact that the lorentz transforms as they are usually
> given, is a geometric transform, not an interaction dependent one.
> You aren't entitled to use numbers obtained from measurements that
> directly conflict with what your theory defines as measurement.

The corrections to the boost transformations resulting from my theory
are much smaller than the uncertainty of the pion mass.
You theory has even greater problem. It cannot describe the
time dilation of the decay of a moving pion. When you simply apply
the Einstein's time dilation formula, you violate the Poincare
group properties. You'll understand it when you read my book one day.
(see section 13.2 for future reference).

>
> [...]
> >I feel that you are not "pointing out the deficiencies in
> >my theory", but you are trying to trash it completely.
> >That's what makes me nervous. I would allow you to trash my theory
> >if you have a better alternative. I haven't seen a better alternative
> >yet.
>
> Actually, my intent was to point out the problems with defining your
> lorentz transforms as you have and explain why you predict physical
> artifacts to be real effects. In general, there is nothing at all
> controversial about a theory with dressed particles, so if that part of
> your theory was useful phenomenology, that would be just fine. You were
> not satisfied with that, however. For some reason, the only part of your
> theory that seems to be important are the artifcats and you've tied
> everything in your theory to the validity of those artifacts. If you think
> I'm ``trashing your theory'', it's because you've limited the options to
> accepting the artifacts or rejecting the entire theory. I'm rejecting what
> I consider to be artifacts, so by default, the rest goes with it.
> Furthermore, I said the same thing a couple of months ago, so it's not
> like I'm telling you anything new. As far as I can tell, there is
> nothing at all about the rest of the theory that would depends upon
> the results you seem so intent to tie to it.
>

I disagree that instantaneous propagation of interaction is
artifact. This is a real physical effect in my view. Though,
you are entitled to your opinion.

Eugene.
www.geocities.com/meopemuk

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