Re: God --> Retroactive Teleogical Causation
From: George Hammond (nowhere_at_nomailspam.com)
Date: 10/12/04
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:07:23 +0000 (UTC)
"Russell E. Rierson" <analog57@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hammond" <nowhere@nomailspam.com> wrote in message
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> > [Hammond]
> > Berkeley was right, and 200 years later Mary Baker Eddy
> > rediscovered Berkeley's principle and declared that
> > "God is Mind" and "Heaven is a mental state" and founded
> > one of the most successful and influential modern Christian
> > Denominations on that theory. She was right too. And now
> > HAMMOND has found the scientific proof of it.
>
> Does the SPoG agree with Frank Tipler's "Omega Point Theory"? :
[Hammond]
SPoG is a "classical proof of God", not a "quantum proof of God".
SPoG shows that the "classical invisible person God" of the
Bible and other major faiths, is explained by CLASSICAL
GENERAL RELATIVITY... and does not require quantum
mechanics.
Tipler's theory is a "quantum speculation" about God.... therefore,
Tipler's theory is not only conjectural, it is irrelevant to the SPoG
which is a proof of the "classical person God of the major monotheistic
faiths".
Of course, since the SPoG proves that "classical gravity" explains the
"classical God" then that means that "quantum gravity" (when it is
discovered) IS going to give us a "quantum theory of God"... but the
theory of quantum gravity by all estimates is many years away.
Moreover... the quantum theory will have to reduce to SPoG in the
classical limit (the Bible being the classical limit).
Meanwhile, Frank Tipler doesn't have a CLUE as to the existence,
or meaning, or proof of the "classical person God of Christianity"...
to him it doesn't even exist, which makes him a theological LAYMAN
and an AMATEUR in theology in the first place.
As for his "quantum god" speculations... I think they are purely
METAPHORICAL, and since the quantum theory of God is now
PROVEN to depend on the quantum theory of gravity which hasn't even
been discovered yet..... Tipler's cosmological Omege-Point theory
is clearly just as allegorical as the Bible.... the only difference being
that the Bible writers actually knew what the classical God was
(but couldn't prove it) so they deliberately wrote in allegory,
metaphors and parables. OTH, Tipler doesn't even know what the
CLASSICAL GOD is, much less the QUANTUM GOD.... so his
grand scenario is simply a daydream wrung out of his subconscious
mind, pure and simple.
>
> http://www.math.tulane.edu/%7Etipler/
>
> QUOTE:
>
> "The Omega Point Theory
>
>
>
>
> I have presented and defended my Omega Point Theory at length in my
> book The Physics of Immortality (Doubleday, 1994), which is available
> from Barnes and Noble or Amazon. As science, the Omega Point Theory
> makes five basic claims about the universe:
>
> (1) the universe is spatially closed (has finite spatial size and has
> the topology of a three-sphere),
>
> (2) there are no event horizons, implying the future c-boundary is a
> point --- the Omega Point,
>
> (3) Life must eventually engulf the entire universe and control it,
>
> (4) the amount of information processed between now and the final
> state is infinite,
>
> (5) the amount of information stored in the universe diverges to
> infinity as the final state is approached.
>
> I can show that these five basic claims directly follow from the most
> fundamental laws of physics: unitarity, general relativity with
> attractive gravity, and the Bekenstein Bound (aka the Heisenberg
> uncertainty principle). An outline of my proof is given on this web
> page.
>
> I also argue that the ultimate future state of the universe, the Omega
> Point, should be identified with God. I have presented my argument in
> detail in my book The Physics of Immortality, but a main reason for my
> identification Omega Point = God, comes from Exodus 3:14. In this
> passage, God is speaking to Moses from the Burning Bush. God gives
> Moses His Name: EHYEH ASHER EHYEH (in Hebrew, of course). God's Name
> is best translated into English as I SHALL BE WHAT I SHALL BE. In
> other words, God is telling Moses that His essence is future tense. If
> we regard God as something Ultimate, then He is telling us that He is
> the Ultimate Future. Hence my identification Omega Point = God. My
> translation of EHYEH ASHER EHYEH is taken from the Oxford University
> Study Bible (Revised Standard Version), but the great German religious
> leader Martin Luther translated EHYEH ASHER EHYEH the same way into
> German: ICH WERDE SEIN, DER ICH SEIN WERDE. Luther's translation of
> the Bible was to the German language as the King James version was to
> the English language.
>
> I am also including on this web page two critical defenses of both my
> scientific argument and my theological argument.
>
> My science is defended by Dr. David Deutsch, a physicist at Oxford
> University. In January of 1998, Deutsch was awarded the Dirac Medal
> for his invention of the quantum computer. Deutsch's defense of my
> science is taken from his brilliant book The Fabric of Reality
> (Penguin Books, 1997). This book is available from either Barnes and
> Noble or Amazon. I can strongly recommend this book for its
> presentation of the Many-Worlds Interpretation, the physics upon which
> the quantum computer is based. In fact, I agree with almost everything
> Deutsch says in his book. Where we disagree, I believe it is only
> because Deutsch has rejected his own theory! I shall reproduce here
> (with permission) most of the 14th Chapter of Deutsch's book.
>
> My theology is defended by Professor Wolfhart Pannenberg, a theologian
> at the University of Munich, Germany. Professor Pannenberg has been
> called "the most brilliant living theological mind". He has been
> termed "one of the three great theologians of the 20th century". He
> holds five honorary doctors of divinity degrees. He is eminently
> qualified to judge theology. Professor Pannenberg's paper, which I
> reproduce here (with his permission) was originally presented at a
> conference on my book, held in June of 1997 in Innsbruck, Austria.
>
> Amusingly, the theologian Pannenberg is dubious about some of my
> physics, and the physicist Deutsch doesn't like my theology! As you
> will read, Pannenberg does not like the Many- Worlds Interpretation
> (which Deutsch --- and I --- believe in because it is required by
> quantum mechanics). Deutsch defends the MWI in his book. I am placing
> on this web page another defense of the MWI, entitled "Quantum
> Nonlocality Does Not Exist," which shows that locality --- a
> fundamental fact of relativity --- is restored to physics by the MWI.
> I might add that most of the great physicists --- Richard Feynman,
> Murray Gell-Mann, Steven Weinberg, Stephen Hawking, for examples ---
> have publicly announced their support for the MWI.
>
> I have included my replies to Deutsch's criticisms of my theology in
> the excerpts from Deutsch's book. Deutsch does not like the idea of
> God as the Ultimate Future, but Pannenberg many years ago concluded,
> as I have, that the Bible says God is the Ultimate Future."
>
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