Re: Just a small (maybe stupid) question

From: Kenneth Ellested (ke_at_jydsk-data.dk)
Date: 10/12/04 

Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:57:47 GMT

> No, it is not a stupid question, but many fools will provide you with
> stupid
> answer.
> According to SR, the clock should be running slower at the equator.
> Quote:
>
> "Thence we conclude that a balance-clock at the equator must go more
> slowly, by a very small amount, than a precisely similar clock situated at
> one of the poles under otherwise identical conditions." -Einstein.
> Reference :
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
>
> In fact, they do not. A clock at the pole will use the same GPS as a clock
> at the equator and have exactly the same time.
Sorry, but what do you mean by "use the same GPS as a clock".
Is this about synchronization with the GPS?

> According to GR, a clock in a stronger gravitational field will
> run slower than a clock in a weaker field.
> In fact, the g-field is stronger at the equator than at the pole, because
> it provides the centripal force to counteract the cetrifugal force and the
> two have to balance. The reason behind this is that the Earth is not
> solid, as lava from volcanoes indicates. The Earth is liquid, like an egg,
> but it also has a cracked shell or crust as we know from earthquakes.
> Because it spins, it is flattened at the poles and we call this an oblate
> spheroid. The net force acting on your body is the same the world over,
> and that applies to the crust also.
> However, the g-force at the pole is weaker than the g-force at the
> equator, so the clock at the equator should run slower than the polar
> clock, even though they experience identical forces.
> Hence both GR and SR will claim that a polar clock runs faster than an
> equatorial clock and both are incorrect. Remember that in GR there is no
> force of gravity, there is only curvature of spacetime.
>
> This physical EVIDENCE leads us to the conclusion that there is something
> wrong with Einstein's mathematics, and some of us have looked carefully
> into it. Others have not looked carefully enough.
What is SR predicting mathematically - that they would run slower?
I'm not able to carry out this kind of verification, but I would have
assumed that somebody already did.
To me it seems like a valid argument to wether SR predicts right or wrong
wrt time dilation.

>
>
> The Seven Deadly Sins of Special Relativity.
>
> For quotations following, reference:
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
> ("On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" by Albert Einstein)
>
> 1) "light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c
> which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body",
> a totally unproven assumption without any evidence to support it.
>
> 2) "In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
> 2AB/(t'A-tA) = c to be a universal constant- the velocity of light in
> empty
> space.",
> an admitted assumption that is quite worthless when there is any
> relative motion between A and B, yet essential to the derivation of the
> remainder of Einstein's nonsense.
>
> 3) The equation
> ½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v)) ,
> the ½ of which is derived from 2) above and is tantamount to saying
> (1/3 + 2/3)/2 = 1/3.
>
> 4) The missing 0' from that equation, since x' = x-vt, hence 0' = 0-vt,
> and the equation should be
> ½[tau(-vt,0,0,t)+tau(-vt,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
> tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
> at the very least.
>
> 5) The further assumption "IF we place x' = x-vt ... " without considering
> IF we place x' = x+vt, from which we derive (using Einstein's method)
> tau = (t+xv/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
> xi = (x + vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)" -Paul B. Andersen
>
> 6) The statements
> "But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k,
> when measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v..."
> and
> "It follows, further, that the velocity of light c cannot be altered by
> composition with a velocity less than that of light. For this case we
> obtain
> V = (c+w)/(1+w/c) = c."
> which are contradictory, the first being Galilean, the second being
> contrary to the vector addition of velocities, an axiom of a vector space.
>
> 7) The lack of a check to verify the theory is self-consistent by feeding
> the new PoR given in 6) into the equation given in 3) and finding a total
> failure.
> Check:
> (t1-t)/(t2-t)*[tau(-vt,0,0,t)+tau(-vt,0,0,t+x'/V+x'/V)] =
> tau(x',0,0,t+x'/V)
> where V = (c+v)/(1+v/c) as required by the redefined PoR.
>
>
>
> Androcles.
>
>
>

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